Yes, it would be inappropriate for Harris to fight a battle of wits against an unarmed man.
I don’t know if you know this, but Trump’s uncle was a professor at MIT. Just a random piece of information that bares no change to your completely factual and valid statement.
Must be those good genes.
Or, as Trump himself put it:
Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible
Hold the debate anyway. Have Kamala appear next to an empty chair.
Moderator: giving Trump a couple more minutes to appear.
(~5 min later)
Moderator: Trump is a no show. Hmm… he originally eagerly agreed to this September debate with Biden. It’s unclear why the change of heart, but I have to say he forfeits by default.
Kamala (interrupts): Hold on, please call Trump’s probation officer to verify his attendance permission while we wait a few more min. He’s understandably a bit skiddish with prosecutors lately but I would like to yield some of my time & do him this courtesy since he donated to my campaign in 2011 & 2013.
(~5 min later)
Moderator: no go, but would you like to answer the questions next to an empty chair to have your answers heard anyway?
Kamala: yes, this way he can take all the time he needs to prepare a scripted response later given his cognitive challenges….
Funny comment, but why the tor link?
NY Times is a closed website. Paywalled or something? I could not reach it from Tor at least not with my browser. Could be a popup-blocker blocker, not sure. Anyway, the link I gave is a NY Times front-end that is openly accessible, though clearnet users might have to append a
.cabor something. There are probably NY Times FEs on clearnet but I don’t know of any ATM.(edit) actually I think that’s NY Times official onion server. Anyway, for whatever reason it has better accessibility than the clearnet version.
Even if Trump says no, Harris should at the very least discuss her opinions and views on camera. It could just be a single person question and answering, a debate other Democrats, or debating a third party candidtae if they don’t want to back other Democrat candidates. Leaving Harris a mystery is the worst thing Democrats can do.
Leaving Harris a mystery is the worst thing Democrats can do.
This is half the reason he doesn’t want to do it.
The other half is that "man yelling at clouds* might beat “well meaning elderly man with a poor memory” but doesn’t stand a chance against anyone who can consistently string three sentences together in a coherent fashion.
Having the debate would both make Trump look bad and make Harris less of a mystery and neither of those things helps Trump.
Harris is a beast when she debates, too. She would mop the floor with that orange clown. Trump will simply refuse to debate her.
This is half the reason he doesn’t want to do it.
I really hope the democrats take full advantage of spinning that as yet another anti-democratic Trump move… that it’s anti-democratic to impede informed voting.
This! Do the debate whether he shows up or not. It will expose him for being a massive pussy
I know it’s hard to believe sometimes but people are slowly realizing what he is. All of my Trumper family are now apolitical all of a sudden lol
Works for me!
pussies are tough. he’s a ballsack: quite sensitive, shrivels up in cold weather, and prone to premature ejaculation
She should %100 debate RFK. No one voting for her is going to magically jump to him…but people who voting trump might jump to voting RFK…plus she can show how scared the turnip is of debating someone who is semi competent
100% also call out how RFK is not a coward for debating Harris.
Usually insane people are not cowards.
Do you believe that Wi-Fi gives you cancer? RFK adamantly argues this (while being around Wi-Fi constantly)
The guy had a literal brain worm that permanently altered him. It is disgusting that we’re parading is mentally ill man around as a spoiler for a political race
Just leave him alone and let him inject steroids in peace
Why are we giving a man who had a brain worm and believes that Wi-Fi gives you cancer a platform?
This man was trying to be a spoiler for the Democratic party, extremely unsuccessfully. He does not have hopes of being president he has hopes of swaying moderates away from the left.
He is a brain dead Trump cultist. He never wanted to win.
“There is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone ‘better.’ Therefore, it would be inappropriate to schedule things with Harris because Democrats very well could still change their minds,” the statement said.
This is a statement from a presidential campaign.
The quote should be put with spoiler tags and a surgeon general’s warning that reading the contents has been shown to lower your IQ by at least four percentage points, and prolonged exposure to even seeing the words on the screen could cause permanent brain damage.
It’s okay I already have permanent brain damage, I can translate for everyone.
It says,
Donald Trump is tired of changing his pants every time someone mentions debating Harris, so we respectfully decline.
Thank you,
Your future inmate president.
Implying Trump changes when he shits himself is far too generous. People literally say he smells of shit.
This quote goes in the square hole.
Yeah it says “remember that old racist dog whistle we used to use with the previous minority president? Let’s try that again, but throw in a little McCarthyism.”
am I reading this right? Republicans are saying that Obama thinks Kamala Harris is too Marxist to beat Trump?
what, and I cannot stress this enough:
What if she started roasting things. Completely breaking down the things they say in front of a whiteboard. I want that to be her entire campaign just… Letting them talk and then talk about it
I get the strategic value, but I’d rather she run on actual policies that help people.
Because what it says literally doesn’t matter, it’s just a perfectly crafted stew of buzzwords to stroke the right. We have to stop reading this shit as normal language and start understanding the code they use. It’s just about saying Obama, in their eyes an evil black muslim terrorist (hence HUSSEIN), still holds sway over the democrats, meaning the institution as a whole is infected with his evil muslim blackness, and is acknowledging Marxism, the big bad enemy of good Christian values, in a way that simultaneously aligns it with party ideology AND presents Kamala as an even-greater looming threat. This isn’t nonsense word salad, it’s meticulously crafted fearmongering to the ignorant party base whose lack of literacy they have cultivated by design.
Their campaign is literally saying shit that I would normally expect to hear from the mouths of 3rd world dictators. The GOP is now conspiracy theory bullshit from stem to stern.
Well, yeah
I said this in deeper reply, but I think it bears repeating, so I’m quoting myself here:
Because what it says literally doesn’t matter, it’s just a perfectly crafted stew of buzzwords to stroke the right. We have to stop reading this shit as normal language and start understanding the code they use. It’s just about saying Obama, in their eyes an evil black muslim terrorist (hence HUSSEIN), still holds sway over the democrats, meaning the institution as a whole is infected with his evil muslim blackness, and is acknowledging Marxism, the big bad enemy of good Christian values, in a way that simultaneously aligns it with party ideology AND presents Kamala as an even-greater looming threat. This isn’t nonsense word salad, it’s meticulously crafted fearmongering to the ignorant party base whose lack of literacy they have cultivated by design.
I made a similar comment above.
You missed the attempt at a subtle dig at the Democratic party by calling them “the Democrat party” (https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/the-democratic-or-democrat-party/ )
They love to see shit like this because when they see those (fucking stupid) terms used, they get to feel like they have some kind of secret, inside knowledge. For a brief moment, they get to forget that they’ve alienated all of their friends and their entire family over this, and get to feel like they’re part of something.
But only for a brief moment… As a single tear drops into his Healthy Choice frozen microwave dinner and he turns on Duck Dynasty.
You missed the attempt at a subtle dig at the Democratic party by calling them “the Democrat party” (https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/the-democratic-or-democrat-party/ )
Wow, yep, that one is new to me; thank you for educating me!. God these people and their doublespeak are exhausting.
Barack Hussein Obama
Gotta get his middle name in there
Without birtherism Trump never runs in 2016.
Without Obama making fun of him at a correspondents dinner…
That was the White House correspondents dinner with the most influence on history of all time
Yeah I was just trying to imagine living that way, so bizarre… Nothing is concrete and reality can be anything.
Well, not anything… Only the things that the fake billionaire reality TV personality (who was unironically the basis for every movie and cartoon villain throughout the 90s), tells me. Because that’s a totally rational way to behave.
This just feels like a shitpost
Obama’s forthcoming speech endorsing Harris will be worth watching I think
I hope there’s a forthcoming lawsuit against the Trump campaign, because I am very, very sure that Obama is not on record publicly nor privately saying Kamala Harris is a “Marxist fraud.”
Obama will take the high road. A lawsuit would just make him martyr and give some semblance of evidence to the radical left trying to silence him and his right to free speech like the gag order. Obama really has nothing to gain but a lot to lose. He’s more coy than that based on his prior actions. I suspect that he’ll sit on that for awhile, give it its time in the media to get as widespread attention as it can, then release a statement enthusiastically endorsing her while citing her policy and character.
He did already endorse her but I haven’t read his statement. I see your point overall though. https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/26/politics/barack-michelle-obama-kamala-harris-endorsement/index.html
Interesting that they are still today apparently served by mentioning Obama’s middle name.
Whenever I see Obama referred to by his full name, I instantly know that the author is pushing manipulative islamaphobic dog-whistle propaganda and everything else by such authors automatically has zero credibility, lacks substance, and the drivel is a waste of time to finish reading. I wonder if that manipulation attempt is still largely unknown, or if the rt-wing nut jobs are really just out of touch with the pursuadables they are trying to reach and thus shooting themselves in the foot.
It’s not even a good excuse because even if they did change their minds, he could still attempt to debate whoever it is on the scheduled date.
Cocaine induced circle jerk
It’s not for us. It’s for his minions. Part of the conservative bubble.
“there are many” - continues to name one.
Yeah yeah sorry! I know I tried to search for logic in a statement from that guy…!
Ha ha “many” followed by one guy.
Trumpism at its “finest”. Still, Obama’s call for an open convention does open exactly this kind of attack. I’ve certainly BIPOC talk about it as a typically “not really culturally BIPOC” move from Obama that betrays his predominantly white cultural upbringing. Sometimes unity is better than whatever else you have in mind.
Reporting has been he will endorse her relatively soon, now that it’s clear she has the votes to win.
Oh I’m sure. Still seems like he missed the cue that everyone else hit on time.
He might have been saving it for a boost later, maybe at the convention, but this idiotic shit forced his hand. He and Michelle endorsed today.
He might have been saving it for a boost later
Yea and the support for an open convention may have just been rumour. Or at least a hand wavy stance from a couple of weeks ago.
… Did you just suggest that Obama isn’t “black enough?”
He’s half African and was raised by his white mother and grandparents. He’s not really culturally ADOS (African descendant of slaves).
^ ^ How to say you’re racist without actually using the word racist.
I mean it’s very dangerous and touchy for white people, like myself, to weigh in on topics like these for sure.
I was just sharing what I’d heard from other BIPOC on what seemed a meaningful point … that, apparently, someone more in tune with slavery descendant culture would have gotten behind a woman of colour in a heart beat.
FWIW, as a white person, that makes total sense, and I’m not sure to whom it wouldn’t make sense and be the obvious move. And yet Obama seems to have been the one person out of step. Dunno how else to think about it.
As for racism, as see the point as only highlighting that such a culturally white person was likely always going to be the first black US president.
She was a fucking DA, ain’t nobody wanna debate with her, especially a half brained real-estate broker
Lots of talented people would look forward to debating with a worthy opponent. It’s a challenge. An opportunity to rise up, prove yourself.
Trump isn’t one of those people lol
I so badly want to see her wipe the floor with him, but now sadly the popcorn I bought in anticipation will have to settle for a movie.
I would put so many commercials out there on fox “news” and everywhere else calling out Dementia Don for being scared and too weak to debate her.
Have the debate anyway and if he doesn’t show up put a picture of a chicken in his place.
Can we make the chicken orange with a terrible hairpiece?
His poll numbers woul just go up
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Ensconced in spinning a version of reality most favorable to them, narcissists tend to lie and misrepresent so readily that they become convinced that whatever they utter in the moment is true and right.
I think this also convinces them that everyone else is lying too, but I can’t remember if I got that from a trustworthy source or if I’m just convincing myself because it sounds true.
Thanks for that great read
Holy shit. That’s some truth right there.
This almost made me feel sorry for them. Almost.
Felon, pedophile, rapist, coward.
There are so many ways to describe this man
Orange.
If it was any other, normal country, the debate schedule would not be based on whether someone wants to show up or not.
If a canditate doesn’t show up, the other candidate gets to talk about their campaign.
The US is bizarro world in so many aspects. Political Supreme Court appointees that are appointed for life (!), two party system, the electoral college, the absurdly long election cycles…
The fact that the first lady does speeches and the presidents family is in the spotlight at all. (Rather dynastic for a democracy)
The fact that our election is held on one day and that day happens to be a Tuesday. 😡
Come on now we can’t have the poors voting now can we??
How are we supposed to keep our stranglehold on
wealththe country if we allowed the poors to have their say!?
Political Supreme Court appointees that are appointed for life (!),
Judges are appointed for life, so they can be impartial and don’t need to worry about who won’t hire them after their term ends if they made unfavorable decisions.
the absurdly long election cycles…
4 years is absurdly long to you? Getting things done in politics takes time. How long should the cycle be in your opinion?
The “political” before “Supreme Court apointees” implies a lack of impartiality.
“Election cycle” and “term of office” aren’t synonymous.
Judges are appointed for life, so they can be impartial and don’t need to worry about who won’t hire them after their term ends if they made unfavorable decisions.
Brother I’m not talking about letting the new president fire them at will, I’m talking about term limits and retirement ages.
4 years is absurdly long to you?
This one is maybe on me since my word choice was possibly ambiguous, but I was referring to the campaign cycle - not the length of the term.
The US supreme court judges are appointed by politicians: They are political appointees. In a lot of other countries supreme court judges are selected by a non-political committee, like every other non-political appointee.
In a lot of other countries supreme court judges are selected by a non-political committee
My worldwide knowledge of this is limited. In Germany, each of the two ‘houses’ of parliament (Bundestag and Bundesrat) elect one half of the ‘Supreme Court’’s (Bundesverfassungsgericht) members (judges and other staff).
In a normal country an insurrectionist and rapist would not be a candidate, let alone in the top two. We are already well beyond rational thinking about any of this.
Is anyone on the fence going to be swayed by a debate anyway? I think the people who are really not sure about which way to vote at this point likely can’t be reasoned out of wasting their vote on some third party.
To anyone reading this that is considering voting 3rd party, my advice is to vote dem and then put as much political pressure on the democrats as possible the other 364 days of the year. The alternative, while maybe morally pure, is a lot less workable and doesn’t benefit others.
He would be eviscerated. Knock out all that good will he got from being a false martyr. Still want to see that ‘bullet’ wound…
We’re gonna have some 3rd party candidate votes, we always do, and most of those people are already dug in for their candidate; likely nothing to be done about that. I know I was in my Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders days. I voted for Nader once or twice and couldn’t have my mind changed.
At this point, many of the fence sitters will likely not vote at all, debate or not. It’s very easy for people to be meh about the whole thing. It doesn’t directly impact them in the short term directly, at least in their minds. And I get it. Life can be hard, and many people have more pressing concerns than who the president is at the moment.
Nearly everyone else who will vote is already solidly Trump or Harris, and maybe a few Kennedy folks.
Everybody also said this about the Biden/Trump debate, and that’s ultimately what made Biden bow out. Personally, I’m a bit apprehensive about how Harris would do against Trump: she didn’t fare very well in the democratic primaries, and she hasn’t had a lot of practice since.
I’m not on the fence, but some who are might want to see how Harris holds up to a strong authority figure (Trump isn’t the only asshole on the global political stage, remember)
Kamala Harris is the candidate. Everyone knows it, including him. He’s just scared
Scared or is his team putting together some racist bullshit fearmongering for the next few months?
I bet it’s racist stuff, and of course immigrants.
¿Porqué no los dos?
There is gonna be a huge focus on immigration, especially since Kamala was the “border czar.” Just remember that the Democrats made a very strong border bill and worked with Republicans to get it passed, and Trump got his buddies in Congress to tank it so he could campaign on the border issue.
Everyone knew Biden was too.
I disagree, there were a million people saying that Biden was unfit to run for president and/or should exit the race.
Sigh. And yet, what was the party line until 3 weeks ago?
Keyword: “was”
People can drop out of races and I’m honestly jealous to have such a inconsequential problem. It doesn’t matter who you are running against if you base your campaign on policy instead of shit-flinging.
Brave Sir Donald ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it’s ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Donald turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Gingerly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Donald!
Brave Sir Donald, indeed.
Sir?
You…
You get the joke, right?
I’d say in this very specific context, it’s appropriate.
I think its Monty Python but not 100%
Yup. Monty Python and the Holy Grail to be precise.
Great, I had plans this evening…
It’s only a bloody model.
Alright, I’m just gonna say it… your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberry.
At least he admits he isn’t in the same class as her.
Well he’s not wrong, in the end. Televising the brutal beating of a handicapped old man would be pretty inappropriate.
Putin probably has some good videos of Trump getting beaten by a black woman.
He wouldn’t understand he’s being blackmailed.
