• Lugh@futurology.today
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    181
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    I think fediverse people are wildly overestimating how much 99% of Reddit users care about this. The mod team on r/futurology (I’m one of them) set up a fediverse site just over a month ago (here you go - https://futurology.today/ ) It’s been modestly successful so far, but the vast majority of subscribers seem to be coming from elsewhere in the fediverse, not migrants from Reddit.

    This is despite the fact we’ve permanently stickied a post to the top of the sub. r/futurology has over 19 million subscribers, and yet the fediverse is only attracting a tiny trickle of them. I doubt most people on Reddit even know what the word fediverse means.

    • Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      42
      ·
      9 months ago

      For what it’s worth, I was on Reddit for over a decade and I think I clicked on a stickied thread from any subreddit maybe twice in that whole time. I think a lot of people’s eyes just automatically skip over them. Plus, stickied threads disappear under some sorting options. Posting the occasional meme about it might be more effective.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      31
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      9 months ago

      People who would leave a site like Reddit because of a principled stance often mistakenly believe that the rest of society cares as deeply as they. Spoiler: society mostly doesn’t care; at least, not enough to go out of their way to change anything.

      • KᑌᔕᕼIᗩ@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        9 months ago

        There are a lot of people that are actually too dumb to change platforms and assume apps like Reddit are the actual internet.

        • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          My father had a doctorate of engineering. He was a brilliant man. When I saw him search for Google and then follow the search link to google.com, to then search on their home page, I started to tell him he should search from the address / search field in his browser. He was instantly becoming confused and so I said, “nevermind,” because his way got him satisfactory results so why bother. Some people aren’t dumb at all. They just don’t care about the same things you or I mighty enough to learn them (beyond basics).

    • rockerface@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      24
      ·
      9 months ago

      I’m technically from elsewhere in the fediverse, but I’m also a Reddit migrant (back in June). Thank you for setting the community up, I’ve missed it from Reddit days

    • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      Even the head mod of piracy subreddit was ousted from the subreddit for attempting to migrate the sub to a lemmy instance, and the redditors that remain there actually cheered! It’s wild, you would expect pirates, who always at risk of having their subreddit shut down, would understand the need to migrate.

    • ADTJ@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      9 months ago

      It’s also likely that most visitors don’t go to the sub directly so the stickied post is easily missed

      • Lugh@futurology.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/15wi75l/rfuturology_is_now_in_the_fediverse_at/

        It’s hard to know exactly how many people see them from the stats Reddit gives Mods. Reddit gives a figure within the post for views, which stands at about 160,000 for the post I mentioned. That includes the times people have been served the title in their feed & and the times people clicked on it (sadly Reddit doesn’t differentiate further).

        The fediverse site has been going for 6 weeks and has about 620 subscribers. My guestimate from looking at addresses in comments is that maybe 100-150 are reddit migrants. So roughly speaking 1 in 1000 r/futurology people who saw something about our fediverse site were motivated to join.

        A sobering thought for people who think the fediverse is about to crush reddit.

        • treadful@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          9 months ago

          [email protected] and some others are also a good places to promote your communities.

          Those sub numbers don’t include federated subscribers, from what I’ve read. And a lot of people seem to just browse All all the time and block communities they don’t want to see. Still doesn’t match any numbers in the millions, but things might be a bit more impactful than you think.

          • Lugh@futurology.today
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            9 months ago

            Yes, its hard to understand. On the other hand our results on cloudflare look way too good to be true. They say the fediverse site had 180K unique visitors in its first month and almost 3 million of what it calls “total requests”.

            It’s hard to figure out what this means in terms of how many people on the fediverse are seeing the content, both from our site, and where its coming up in federated instances.

        • criitz@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          9 months ago

          This is still the early adoption phase. You can’t expect all of the general populace to swap over. But it has been strong enough to start building the fedoverse into a real alternative. The “replacement” of reddit at large is far in the future.

    • gila@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      Literally swap the word Fediverse in that pinned post for Lemmy and you’ll get more engagement with it. Because you’re right, even if the current reddit user has heard of lemmy and mastodon, they still most likely don’t know what the fediverse is, don’t understand the site linked to is a lemmy instance / reddit alternative. Subbed to [email protected] btw, if the current activity there can be sustained I think it’ll shape up to be a nice community

  • danc4498@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    131
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    Just want to say that every time Reddit does something shitty like this, Lemmy will get a boost. And with Lemmy constantly getting better (both community and platform), I’m willing to bet these boosts come with smaller user drop offs every time.

    Which is to say, keep up the good work Reddit!

    • Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      79
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      At this point (and with Sync, as I used for reddit), Lemmy is indistinguishable from my reddit browsing experience. Except on Lemmy I don’t encounter constant hostility.

      • CADmonkey@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        40
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        I don’t encounter constant hostility.

        That sounds like something one of you people would say. 🖕/s

      • Player2@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        20
        ·
        9 months ago

        There are still few very niche/local communities here that I have seen, at least active ones. But that’s only because of the much smaller user base

      • aceshigh@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        9 months ago

        i experience some hostility on lemmy, but i haven’t noticed any bots here cruising for karma.

        • Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          I’ve been lucky so far, but ever since leaving reddit I’ve been in an infinitely better mood. Sometimes reddit would bring out the worst in me as well, and I’d be short with people or needlessly confrontational. You could tell when I was in a shitty place mentally because my post history would shift from light-hearted and sentimental to easily annoyed with frequent cursing. Reddit’s algorithm really fine-tuned its way under my skin, and I found myself increasingly angry as the years went on. US political issues really got me going. I was never more irritable and mad at the world than I was over the past few years on reddit. Now all of that is just gone, and my Lemmy usage is about 20 minutes per day. I’m in a much better place.

      • mob@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        I think the hostility is about the same tbh, only different is this place uses the term Tankies a lot more.

        • dogebread@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          9 months ago

          That and the impact. The amount of communism or total and complete anti capitalism without nuance or depth, right or wrong. Reddit was very left, but not like here!

          • Ataraxia@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            Tankies aren’t communists anyway. They’re Russian trolls, CCP shills. Those are fascist dystopias. Just mention Ukraine being invaded and they go ballistic.

      • danc4498@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        9 months ago

        The quality of posts and comments overall isn’t where Reddit was. That comes with volume, though.

        Also, I haven’t found a single niche community that does what Reddit did. For instance, if I’m into a specific show, Reddit was my go to place for discussions about a new episode. Lemmy does not have that for any show I watch.

        • cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          9 months ago

          Startrek.website is alive and well

          But I do see your point, from my local subreddit effectively nobody moved over, even my favorite mod who got backstabbed during the blackout stayed.

        • Loudpaperclips@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          Niche comes with volume too. And really, niche is what’s important, not the broad strokes (I’d argue the boons of Lemmy are broad strokes at least). Reddit is worse for a lot of reasons, but man oh man, how can you convince someone to come over when the value is in the volume? I’m still primarily on Reddit, actively contributing to the problem.

    • Capitao_Duarte@lemmy.eco.br
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      The common reddit apps coming to lemmy also helps. People used to Boost, Sync, Infinity and others can finally browse lemmy on a known interface

      • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        22
        ·
        9 months ago

        You can no longer op-out for targeted advertising based on use habits (like if you visited canned sardines you could get ads about sardines on the canned sardines subreddit but not on cheatatmathhomework, now you could get ads about canned sardines in the math subreddit and about brilliant on the sardines one)

          • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            9 months ago

            Thanks for subscribing to the International Canned Sardine Alliance’s canned sardines fun facts network.

            Did you know that sardines are called after the Italian island of Sardine? That’s what I call superdine!

            To cancel your subscription respond with ‘CANCEL’ to upgrade to a pro account answer with ‘UPGRADE’.

            Each message costs $4.99, local taxes may apply.

    • _number8_@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      but also, with every influx it waters down the spirit of lemmy a tiny bit in exchange for more activity / content / perspectives. which generally is worth it so far, but even still i can already see some discussions on here getting worse, with shittier viewpoints i wish were quarantined in facebook

    • Auli@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      No it it also has the effect tof the people who dropped off probably won’t come back. Yah I tired it and it sucked. Lemmy blew it’s big chance. Yes it has grown but could have been bigger.

      • danc4498@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        I don’t think it works that way. A free service like Lemmy can be tried multiple times. People aren’t just going to ignore something forever cause they tried it once and it sucked. People understand that software evolves over time.

  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    75
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering…. Leaving

    I saw one that said they would stay until Reddit charges a fee to use the site…like why are they staying??? JUST FUCKING LEAVE

    One even said “there are no viable alternatives” when talking about Reddit, like excuse me what the fuck?

    • satnififu@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      70
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      I’ll probably get hate, but the content just isn’t there. I tried using Lemmy as my main, but most of the communities I’d follow on Reddit just weren’t on here, and if they were, they would have a couple hundred of subscribers at most, and there would be 7 different versions of the same community on different instances with no way to measure quality at first glance. Lemmy thrives for geeky hobbies that surround the FOSS space that gave birth to it, so communities like Linux or Unixporn have a strong enough presence, but for pretty much anything else it’s just not there yet. Is this a negative feedback loop? Yes, but there isn’t much to be done about it until shit REALLY hits the fan

      PD: As an added, Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times, even more so than Reddit already is. Like seriously at times 90% of the content on my feed is just shitting on Reddit plebs

      • creed10@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        9 months ago

        yeah that’s honestly what I found as well. once I discovered you can patch RIF to use your own personal api token, I’ve been continuing to use reddit. it’s such a subpar experience compared to what it used to be tho

          • Natanael@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            9 months ago

            It’s usable for bots and such, I’ve seen reports of some users getting banned for using it in patched clients when detected

      • SchizoDenji@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        9 months ago

        Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times

        I always assumed that since both upvote and downvote counters are visible, it won’t be the case. But boy I was wrong. The political/news posts are always a constant shitshow reminiscent of T_D.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        9 months ago

        I’m a trans woman here, and to be honest change of any kind is so scary that it is unbelievable. Like when I finally got approved for hormone, the prescription stayed at the pharmacy for like 2 or 3 weeks before eventually I decided to call a friend…

        I knew that if I went myself I would probably just chicken out or maybe I’d pick them up and just put them aside somewhere, simply because I knew that there would be no going back. I didn’t even want to go back, but the fact that I couldn’t was still scary.

        But my friend made me take them right then and there, as anybody would, as he always had a good ability to talk me out of my inhibitions.

        It’s been about a decade since then and lemme tell you, life is better on two legs than three.

        Hell I had been wanting a Reddit alternative for the longest time because the place was a shit hole from the beginning, but traditional online forums are dead.

        It took a Perma ban from the whole site for me to make the switch, it’s going to come sooner or later, it’s a ban happy website it wasn’t even the first time.

        Even then I felt like a criminal on the run.

        PS: a bunch of right wing trolls have reported my account for threats of violence, simply because I said something about Star Wars that they didn’t like.

        I got a permaban, and had to write an appeal letter to get them to look at what I actually posted to realize that there was not even the slightest hint of a threat there.

        Ironically the second time was for abusing the report button, something that’s not even listed in their terms of service, because that was easier than actually looking at all of the bigoted things that I reported. I try appealing that too, but never got a response

      • DrProfessorNo@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        9 months ago

        People forget how bad reddit was when we all moved from digg.com. It was bad. It would crash every other day.

        Lemmy is far more mature than reddit was during the digg exodus.

        • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          9 months ago

          I wasn’t an early adopter of Reddit, or Lemmy, but this sort of has the same issues of momentum as web browsers do. It doesn’t matter how they started. Where they are now is the standard, and that’s what you have to build to in order to be a viable replacement. With browsers it’s the capability to serve pretty much any page with all the bells and whistles, with Reddit/Lemmy it’s all the posts, comments, and user base. I think it can happen, but it won’t be easy or fast. I’m not worried, though. I think we can rely on spez to send more users this way until a suitable number of users have joined.

    • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering…. Leaving

      I think because they are uninformed. They are looking for alternatives, and don’t know about Lemmy, or don’t understand Lemmy, etc.

      • FurbiesAndBeans@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        It’s exactly this, I only found lemmy through a sticky comment inside a post 2 days ago, and I’ve been wanting to get off Reddit for months

      • Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        9 months ago

        Unfortunately, to understand lemmy is to be on lemmy. You have to be here and experience it.

        They have to make that leap of faith. There’s nothing to lose anyway, there’s no requirement to delete reddit to become a lemmy user. So what’s holding them back. Mauve they believe the anti lemmy post on reddit or maybe they just say they want to leave reddit but has no real desire to follow through.

        • Dave.@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          9 months ago

          But… what about my 83k karma and 13 year badge!

          Gamification is a powerful addictive force.

          When Reddit locked down their API and Boost stopped working, I forced myself to do casual browsing on chrome on my phone. It was clunky enough that I didn’t bother replying to comments, and navigation is a bit of a pain on mobile, and that was enough to ruin the game.

    • big_slap@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      9 months ago

      these people are the same group of people that won’t leave twitter. some people just live to be miserable and complain about things one hundred percent in their control.

      it’s insane and i can’t wrap my brain around it.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        9 months ago

        It seems to be human nature that people are resistant to change, and it appears that are kombat instincts from when we were monkeys that can only be satiated these days by arguing on the internet and complaining.

        You’re simply have to find a way to take the soul out of the human and put into something better. unfortunately I don’t know that Souls exist

    • spider@lemmy.nz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering… Leaving

      Reminds me of people who keep voting for politicians they supposedly can’t stand.

    • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      9 months ago

      There are no viable Alternatives because they won’t come here, to the viable alternative. Seriously I would love to be able to go on special interest boards again but unfortunately the crowd is still on Lemmy.

      Who’s prostate do I have to massage with a rubber glove in order to get a simple conversation about Dragon Quest going on around here?

    • MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      There aren’t viable alternatives. We don’t have the active niche (and not so niche) communities reddit does. And even if there was somehow a meaningful mass exodus, these little instances would break like wet toilet paper trying to hold a bowling ball.

      I don’t say this to be critical of lemmy. I’m happy here. Just being realistic.

      • Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        Yeah we don’t need to be like reddit. I’m happy if rss usage becomes stronger . So those niche communities can stay wherever they can thrive but still be reachable through rss.

        • Sanctus@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          ·
          9 months ago

          Which drives me nuts! The month doesn’t change for 4 whole weeks! Why is it first? I want the info that contains the most variation displayed first so my eyes don’t have to glaze past useless info every time.

          • rockerface@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            9 months ago

            Year/month/day is superior when reading full dates, because it’s the least ambiguous. If I only need day and month, I’d rather use month’s full or shortened name (like 27 Sep). Ambiguity is the real enemy here, not any particular order

            • Sanctus@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              9 months ago

              True, thats how my laptop displays the date. It never even mentions the month because I see that enough on other sources. I guess I just hate how month first is the default where I live more than anything. It perfectly sums up the subpar optimacy of the USA. Shit could be better, but its just not.

              • FlowVoid@midwest.social
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                9 months ago

                ¿And don’t you hate how US punctuation is at the end? ¿If you read an entire sentence, but you don’t even know it is a question until you’re at the end, then how do you know which intonation to use? ¡English is subpar and something should be done about that!

                • Sanctus@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  Don’t even get me started on the three languages in a trench coat we call English.

            • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              9 months ago

              Year-Month-Day is also my go-to for naming files (at least in systems that don’t have file versioning) because it allows Name sort to list things chronologically. Just have every version of the same file have the same name, then append Year-Month-Day to the end.

              I work with a lot of bespoke systems that use proprietary files, so file versioning with something like Google Drive or OneDrive goes right out the window. But Year-Month-Day makes it easy to maintain some semblance of organization.

      • RQG@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        I just realized that September 7,Oktober 8, November 9 and December 10 is a thing. I feel a bit dumb now. Then I got mad cus it’s screwed up. Was it some Romans squeezing in extra months or something?

    • Morcyphr@lemmy.one
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      This is a reddit or even Twitter level shit comment. Please take your ignorant self back to either of those platforms. The dumb American trope is overused, largely inaccurate, and tired. Steal some new material from someone more witty and try again.

    • Destide@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      I don’t understand it they go through the same Bumtober as the rest of us

    • Shotmode@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      9 months ago

      Thankfully Boost came out the same week Relay went to monthly subscription only. I actually forgot I had set Boost to install automatically when the app was released.

      I spent the few days before Boost was released giving the official Reddit app another shot, and remembering why I hate it so much.

      Boost making it easy to sign up and get started was the final step on my path away from Reddit.

      • unknownobject3@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        9 months ago

        Same thing. I specifically waited for Boost for Lemmy to release in order to create an account. It feels familiar enough, so no problem.

  • ilinamorato@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    35
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    9 months ago

    Oh wow. I booted up Boost this morning as usual, scrolled for 10-15 minutes, and didn’t realize I was on Lemmy instead of Reddit until this post.

    • mcmoor@bookwormstory.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      9 months ago

      Trying to sub to something from other instance is still pain in the ass tho. Especially when you’re from a small instance so everything is somewhere else.

      • ilinamorato@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        9 months ago

        Agreed. I really hope (and honestly think) that third party tools (and Boost particularly) will improve discoverability as the ecosystem grows. Being able to see other servers’ communities and Local feed will be a big step toward getting across the usability hurdle and getting more people here.

        “Multireddits” (for lack of a better word), too. Maybe call them “community bundles.” I’m subscribed to like five different (functionally identical) Star Trek communities, for instance; being able to group them all together and suppress/merge crossposts would be fantastic.

        • sheogorath@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          9 months ago

          To discover more communities I’ve been using to browse using Everything feed on Sync then subscribing or blocking based on the communities that get shown on my feed.

  • Ethalia@feddit.ch
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    30
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    9 months ago

    I assure you that the average userbase doesn’t care about such things. (Lmao - Privacy? I got nothing to hide -type of people) As long as functionality doesn’t break massively there won’t be an exodus.

    • rush@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      funnily enough whenever I point out that Privacy ≠ Secrecy in conversations like this I always get the surprised pikachu face and they (indirectly) immediately admit defeat

  • AJam@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    25
    ·
    9 months ago

    I find it fascinating that their own app can be so horrible when there are so many amazing alternatives that exist(ed)

  • Obinice@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    28
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    9 months ago

    Absolutely, though to be fair I trust the anonymous random people running the thousands of fediverse instances and communities far less than a legitimate, traceable company that gets third party audited and has to, at least, follow national laws.

    I don’t love Reddit’s owners obviously, but yeah. When it comes to privacy, I don’t have any misconceptions about Lemmy being private in the least. Unfortunately :-(

    • meco03211@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      36
      ·
      9 months ago

      The difference is advertising. Lemmy has no incentive to sell you out. A company like reddit will squeeze every legal penny out of your personal info and then some more illegally if they think they can get away with it.

      • mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        37
        ·
        9 months ago

        just wait 5 years, the fediverse will either be dead or swallowed up by meta. the only two things it has to go for it is the decentralized nature and the absence of open advertisements.

        • explodicle@local106.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          21
          ·
          9 months ago

          I’ve heard that about FOSS projects before they really blew up. Good things do happen sometimes.

          • jaybone@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if fb or Reddit started their own Lemmy instances, which they would use to post ads, and have some user-transparent integration with their native platform.

            But I bet a lot of instances would de-fed them like you say.

          • mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            9 months ago

            yeah, maybe, it will just keep staying under the radar and at some point someone will have to spend some cash to keep the lights on.

    • thesmokingman@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      9 months ago

      The US has zero privacy laws and, as far as I know, Reddit follows zero audit frameworks (eg SOC 2). Additionally, Reddit currently does not follow its legal burden under state laws.

      I’m not saying your mistrust of the fediverse is wrong. I am saying your trust of corporations is completely unfounded and very naive. Trusting the US to do anything is equally naive (see Yahoo, Experian, and multiple alphabet agencies).

  • Zicoxy3@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    9 months ago

    Unfortunately, reddit has been too long and entrenched in society to “remove” it from our browsers. It is very different from Twitter or another social network. Lemmy is a great project. I hope it works and establishes itself as a real alternative, but it still has a long way to go. Unfortunately, the Reddit/Lemmy format is resource intensive, and that’s the problem with a service like this.

    It’s my simple opinion. I support any fediverso project, but reddit, today I think it is irreplaceable.

    • shaked_coffee@feddit.it
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      9 months ago

      That’s very true!

      Thanks to the whole blackout thing and the many amazing apps that came to Lemmy (like Sync that I’m using rn and loving), Lemmy is now good enough to replace Reddit for the new content (at least in my opinion)

      But Reddit is not (or at least not only) an “what’s happening now” social network like Twitter and there is a huge amount of old content on it that can still really useful. So I guess that, in the best scenario, we’ll have Reddit and Lemmy cohexist and complement each other :)

    • Got_Bent@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      45
      ·
      9 months ago

      It won’t shut down. I see it more going the way of Yahoo - a once juggernaut that stumbles along a shell of its former self.

    • mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      9 months ago

      no, it won’t, nor will xitter of facebook. it’s delusional to think multi-billion-dollar-platforms backed by big money, the content industry and several clandestine consortiums will cease operation because a single digit percentage of users decided that some hobbyist internet platforms held together by tape and a hail marry are the future. we’ll be lucky if places like this are still around in a few years.