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      I saw a early video from a “medical expert” the government was trying to “silence” we would all be dead within 6 months from the first jab containing cancer, ground up aborted baby fetuses, Aids, Cancer and Alzheimer’s. I usually joke due to the Alzheimer’s I’ve forgotten to die more than once now.

      Most have moved on to Trans hate, bathroom use, child groomers and kidnapping. After reading Carl Sagan’s Demon Haunted World, it seems there are old themes religions have used to invoke emotional responses from the masses to maintain control. These conspiracy types have stolen the same plays for their causes to great effect as who does not think child grooming and kidnapping is terrible?

      It doesn’t require much thought or research to be moved with this kind of raw emotion and in the 90s these child abuse themes were hard to confirm on a grand scale but also invoked the same responses as alien abductions once did.

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      not only was it an idiotic thing to believe, but the sheer joy many of them said this with, like they actually would revell in delight at the thought of “vaxxers” dying everywhere. real charming people.

      another reason I will never give a cooker the time of day, other than to mock them and watch them get shouty and mad

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        And now that all their friends, family and coworkers who got the vaccine aren’t dead they’re kind of shitty about it. Any reasonable, decent human being would be so overjoyed and relieved that they were wrong. But they’re not, they’re annoyed. And now I’m supposed to carry on and trust them like they care about people other than themselves.

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      I saw a minivan go by just the other day that had large homemade foam (?) syringe on top of their car with the word “genocide” painted on. They’re still waiting for it to happen.

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      Unironically my health seems to be better for completely unrelated things. It’s not the vaccine that did that, it just happened, but according to these novax I’d be a mutant by now. Also people stopped talking about it, the only people who still insist on the covid thing are these novax conspiracy nuts.

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    “any moment now anyone who got the vax is gonna flop over and start foaming at the mouth, I heard it on the My Pillow Guy show.”

    I can’t decide which is more depressing, people stupid enough to believe the shit, or the absurd lack of credibility their sources provide - fucking rubes and idiotic liars deserve each other I guess.

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      If the government wanted to kill people, they’d kill those who refused to comply.

      So the thing that would make more sense, is that the COVID vaccine was an antidote, and the government was going to release a toxic gas to kill everyone who didn’t take it.

      But nah, their argument is that the government is killing those who comply. Ya, because that makes sense.

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        That’s one of the things that bugs me about conspiracy theories. So many of them don’t even have a point.

        How can so many be people be so wrapped up in conspiracism, but never once have the though, “Oh, wait, why would anyone do this? It’d be pointless.”

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          That’s what gets me about flat earthers. The “best” explanation I’ve seen is that it would show the Bible is true and the elites don’t want us to believe in God, but… would it show the Bible is true? Why even start this century long lie in the first place? I don’t think discovering the earth is round is what pushed people into secularism in the first place, and revealing now it was wrong wouldn’t get people into religion?

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          It’s because people aren’t wired that way. There’s a name for that phenomenon, but I forgot.

          The idea behind it is that people make up “reasons” (conspiracy strategies) that fit the event. A big event needs a big reason, they can’t just accept that some things happen due to accidents or just by chance.

          That’s why Covid can’t have been natural, it must have escaped from a lab! The government is giving us free vaccines? It can’t be that they just want to get us back to work, there must be a secret plot behind that!

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        Someone straight up told me its because the elites only want those they can respect to survive.

        It’s a wierd form of hating them but desperately wanting their approval. I think they all just have daddy issues that aren’t the kinky fun kind.

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        This is my same argument for gun ownership as well. While I’m not against people owning guns, to think that us civilians would survive any decent length of time of the government finally came down on us is laughable.

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      When you point out its been a long time, and you’re fine, so they say, “Give it 10 more years” lmao wtf just shut up and crawl back under your rock you science denying turnips

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      No, the way it is currently is any time someone in the news that is seemingly healthy but has a major heart issue (for example Bronny James) they immediately jump and say “IT WAS THE VACCINE!”.

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    I wish. They still protest against the lockdowns every saturday down here in Melbs. You know, the lockdowns that are long over. But they want those freedoms that aren’t being restricted in any way, shape or form, dammit!

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      I’ve seen the anti-vaxxers out and about. They have all these photos of people on little sticks and you think it’s going to be people who allegedly died of vaccines, but when you get up close it’s all stuff like “Marie had the Moderna vaccine. A day later she sprained her ankle climbing down off a horse.” “John had a sniffly nose a few weeks after Pfizer.”

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        “I know people who got the vaccine and died right after”

        Ok. And I know 1,000,000x more people that didn’t get the vaccine and died from COVID. Even if they died from the vaccine (they didn’t), the vaccine is safer.

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            There is genuinely a small percentage of the population who is severely allergic to the vaccine. It happened to someone I know. She didn’t die of course - but yeah, was in hospital for a while and couldn’t take the subsequent shots after that first one. It was pretty rough.

            Happily, the vaccines were administered in the presence of health professionals with a proper plan in-place especially to deal with these cases. They’re aren’t jabbing people with cow medicine they bought off the black market in their own back yards.

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              Allegedly there are two known instances of people in the US dying due to complications from the vaccine, though one of them wasn’t the mRNA vaccine that the anti-vaxxers were most scared of. Compare that to the over 1 million people who died from COVID.

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              In laws were making noises about ivermectin, we actually managed to knock that one square on the head when we casually mentioned “Oh yeah, that’s the stuff we used to give our rats” looooool

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      Tell me about it… They shit me up the walls.

      Now they have their “say no to the voice” rally with actual literal Nazi’s. I mean conspiracy theory territory can get alt-right very quickly but to have actual Nazi’s at your rally… You fucked up.

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        Honestly at this point you need to send some mental health professionals after them. They clearly aren’t doing well and lockdowns broke something. Given the state of mental healthcare in Australia though good fuckin’ luck.

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          My ex-stepdad was (supposedly from his mouth but I went no contact with him once he left) a huge conspiracy theory person. Vaccines cause Autism, Alex Jones was a huge presence in my house, anti-anything left of centre. Funny thing is, he’s Canadian. But when he spoke to my mum about something she had contacted him about, he mentioned to her how the last lockdown at the time was what did it for him. And now he’s “supposedly” not a massive conspiracy theorist nut job. So what I’m trying to say is, yes, I agree, we need mental health professionals working with these people. Because if I can go off my ex-stepdad and his problems, then I’m sure there’s a large majority of these dickheads who are probably of similar or worse mental health.

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    No time to talk about that now. Busy moving the goal posts.

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    I’ve heard someone tell me “it’s a hoax but I got sick twice” in the same sentence.

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        Straight up my uncle was in the ICU for over a week and has been basically crippled by long covid. He still denies it’s real.

        Dude can barely check his own mail 18 months after getting it.

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          My cousin ranted about COVID and evil masks and Fauci. He then started talking about how he installs 5g antennas for a living and is blown away that people believe conspiracy theories about 5g, and how sometimes his favorite news programs bad mouth 5g, but they’re ignorant and should listen to experts. I lost a little hope that day.

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          On the other hand, I can imagine that if one has fallen into the conspiracy rabbit hole, not done anything to reduce risk like getting vaccines or masking, or even going out of your way to avoid taking those precautions, then losing some family members to covid might make doing those mental gymnastics much easier. Because if one admitted one was wrong after such a thing happened, that would also mean accepting the idea that one might be partially responsible for the deaths of one’s own family members, and that is such an awful truth to accept that I can easily imagine someone desperately clinging to any belief that would make it not so, regardless of how absurd it was. Indeed, the longer one hangs on to it afterwards, the worse one’s actions look once you abandon the conspiracy theory, and so the motivation to cling to that belief no matter the evidence just would get stronger.

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        Like he said it was a hoax and then after a passage of time a few members of his family died, or those were both things said in one conversation?

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      My boss lost his sense of smell (it’s been over a year). He copes by saying he’s never been much of a foodie! He tells employees not to take covid tests.

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      Yeah my mil was avaxx. Then she infected the entire damned family, including two kids under five.

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        I have a cousin who still insists that her mom died of pneumonia and that it wasn’t COVID. Her husband is currently in prison for storming the capitol on January 6th, which tells you all you need to know. It’s weird because she’s the only one in my extended family who’s even remotely into far right craziness.

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      Shall I assume you don’t live in the USA?

      They withheld any information about C-19 to US citizens until into 2020. Yet I found myself sick with ‘influenza’ for Christmas 2019.

      That was the closest thing worth calling a ‘hoax’, the fact that it came out in 2019, but the US public wasn’t even made aware of it until later into 2020.

      By then people were already sick, and it was spreading out of control. Lockdown was about a joke at that point, they waited too long for lockdown to do a damn thing.

      BTW, it didn’t affect me any worse than any other case of a strong cold or the flu, though I totally realize it affected others differently.

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          Can’t say I’ve ever heard of NPR before today, might have been handy to know before I decided to go to the hospital over a large cyst on December 19, 2019, that’s probably where I got it.

          Anyways, from Wikipedia…

          “The World Health Organization declared the COVID-19 outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern on 30 January 2020, and a pandemic on 11 March 2020.”

          By then I had already got it and had already recovered. When I finally heard about it on the news, I was like ‘well ain’t that fucking cute, a day late and a dollar short’

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        Live in the US. I saw the news covering it in 2019 and showing footage of people passing out in China. China was the one downplaying it to the world back then.

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    I assume the accepted copout is something along the lines of, “You can thank us for making enough noise that they backed down. Sheepdogs, sheep, blah blah something something…”

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      Like Africa where the overall population wasn’t able to get it and yet had a significantly lower mortality rate than the rest of the world? 🤔

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          I wonder if that’s because there’s a high rate of overall mortality, i.e. they’re only living past 30 sometimes?

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            Give it a rest. You have already made it clear at this point that you are impervious to evidence. Just go home mate.

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              Maybe I need a few more “vaccines” that don’t prevent contraction or spread of a respiratory virus

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                Oh shit, it’s almost like a lot of other vaccines, like the flu vaccine. You’ve uncovered a big government secret! The Immuminati will be by to give you a gold star tonight.

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                But they do mitigate rates of hospitalization and death. Pretty good tradeoff for something that’s free and doesn’t affect me otherwise. Kinda value.

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                Tell me, would you rather catch a virus that can harm/permanently harm/kill you with or without a vaccine that can prevent it from doing that?

                Or to put in another way, would you rather run in front of a firing squad with or withoir body armour?

                Would you rather be in the rain with or wothout a coat/umbrella?

                You moron.

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    Everybody who got the vaccine was supposed to be dead by now, too. This is has gotta be the slowest-acting poison in history!

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    They’ll just claim that it was because of their efforts that they prevented the Islamic takeover of the US through mask mandates, when really it was all because Trump didn’t want his makeup rubbing off on his mask. One man’s vanity and the whole nation suffers.

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      This.

      You’re grossly underestimating these people if you think they ashamedly disappeared. They’re just convinced they won a small victory.

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    still plenty of cookers in Australia. they are even still protesting that shit that ended checks calendar 2 fucking years ago.

    they never admit they were wrong, but you can’t shut those stupid fucks up