J.D. Vance grew agitated after a mild fact-check on his comments about immigrants in Springfield, Ohio.
  • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    93·
    2 months ago

    The idea that these putzes whine about being fact-checked. This is where we are at.

    And this from the bunch that wear shirts that say things like “fuck your feelings” and “facts don’t care about your feelings”. Then they melt the very second a fact shows up to negate their feelings about their fictions.

  • Kalysta@lemm.ee
    29·
    2 months ago

    And this melting snowflake may actually be our next vice president.

    I like my VPs able to take criticism

    • smeenz@lemmy.nz
      29·
      2 months ago

      Given Donny’s general health, this melting snowflake may well be your next president

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    24·
    2 months ago

    Looks like the source changed the headline on you:

    “J.D. Vance Lashes Out After the Smallest Fact-Check in V.P. Debate”

    If you could update yours, that would be great!

    • ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.mlEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      It’s a massive red flag but one the right won’t see. Just look at Fox-Legally-Classified-As-Entertainment’s clip on the fact checking, and read the comments. They took this as a sign of bias and think JD Vance won the exchange. The fact that JD Vance spelled out the legal process for them to not be illegal immigrants (iow he was lying) is lost on them.

      I hope at least some people realize the gaslighting going on both from trump/vance as well as the media.

      • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
        3·
        2 months ago

        People doing this kind of mental gymnastics weren’t ever going to accept that Vance lost the debate.

  • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16·
    2 months ago

    No. Republicans loved that Vance pushed back here.

    This is not the win yall think it is.

    Walz did fine. Not as good as JD Vance but I at least wasn’t expecting Walz to do as well as JD Vance. Yall got the election if you keep the topic on Trump. Don’t get distracted here, especially when its an L or at best, stalemate on your image.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      39·
      2 months ago

      Y’all might be brainwashed… Or perhaps you have a brain worm? That’s actually an official, well-documented thing omongst Trump endorsers these days.

      • 5oap10116@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 months ago

        Unfortunately it’s not about who was the most honest or had the best ideas. It’s about who was more “convincing” to a “blank slate”. When one person has zero problem saying anything to support their point even if its complete bullshit, it’s easy to be more convincing. I still think debates should happen but it’s sad that the Republicans “win at all costs” mentality elevates quick talkers who will lie to your face and make up disingenuous arguments without a care in the world. Something something about a pig in the mud and wrestling it…

        Sorry about all the air quotes but it’s hard to talk about this stuff without them.

      • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        2 months ago

        Convince people. The quick polls are already in.

        Walz is fine though. I don’t remember any mistake honestly. But the numbers are in already. We can say solidly that JD Vance did better.

        • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
          77·
          2 months ago

          22 people is hardly a survey for a national election, and is a total nonanswer. I’m asking you what you think Vance did better.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            32·
            2 months ago

            Image, body language. Looking at the camera with the “Marine Stare” to show off with body language his disdain for a particular topic or response from Walz (while Walz’s body language was not nearly as effective at showing JD Vance’s weird shit).

            If you’re not aware of what “Republicans see as weird”, well… guess what?? JD Vance is, and he’s able to rally people with just a glance. It was clearly effective. Though perhaps in a “deeper” political look / visual communication cue rather than actual talking.

            JD Vance is the complete package. Walz is well spoken but not quite as emoted and not as good of a reaction to JD Vance.

            Don’t get me wrong, JD Vance is fucking nuts. But if you’re not seeing JD Vance’s good performance here, you’re at risk at underestimating the scope of the problem here.

            EDIT: Like… base things. The things people care about. Like, “Who looked more like a soldier” (especially on the meta-topic of JD Vance service record vs Tim Walz’s service record), JD Vance looked more like a soldier. Base things that appeal to the ID and not logic. JD Vance is spot on on these issues.

            I don’t think it matters because Donald Trump is the actual topic of discussion. But JD Vance’s performance is better than you’d think within a Republican mindset.

            Its fine because Walz didn’t need to win this debate. Walz just needed to punt and he’s accomplished that. JD Vance isn’t going to turn all of Trump’s ills away with one good debate performance either (especially since Walz wasn’t crushed or defeated).

            Walz needed to introduce his personality to the country. And Walz did that. Good. Take the W for what it is, but don’t overplay your hand here. This isn’t like the Harris v Trump debate where Harris crushed Trump. This is actually slight win to JD Vance IMO but Walz is good enough to not damage Harris’s campaign kinda debate.

            • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.socialEnglish
              45·
              2 months ago

              JD looked and talked like an alien making his first contact with humans. He lacks any charisma, and you can tell he doesn’t actually believe anything he says. And because of that, the moderators asked many times about his stance on almost everything being 180 degrees from when he started the Trump audition.

              Also I don’t think Republican = MAGA cult anymore. I also feel 99% of these “undecided” voters at this point are going to vote Trump, and are just reaching for something that they can say is the reason other than racism.

              • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                9·
                2 months ago

                and you can tell he doesn’t actually believe anything he says.

                100% agree on this point.

                But that’s also not JD Vance’s goal here. JD Vance’s goal is to sanewash Trump. And he accomplished that.

                JD looked and talked like an alien making his first contact with humans

                I kinda-sorta see where you’re coming from here.

                Alas: this is the marine stare. A lot of marines I know do this. I think people in the know are in the know and see JD Vance’s mannerism here as charismatic.

                • ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world
                  10·
                  2 months ago

                  Please, reconcile your fawning fascist fellating with the FACT that he’s the last popular VP candidate in American history. I’m sure it will be an entertaining, if somewhat nauseating read.

                • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.socialEnglish
                  10·
                  2 months ago

                  Charismatic adjective

                  1. exercising a compelling charm which inspires devotion in others.

                  I wouldn’t consider staring off while trying to reword your same lie as being charismatic. There is a reason his favorability has been under water the whole time, it isn’t because he was a Marine. I have met Marines, and I have seen former Marines in office that can have a normal conversation, and actually appear to care. JD lacks the ability to converse, and has zero ability to relate with anyone, even MAGA folks.

                • aStonedSanta@lemm.ee
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  Lefties not wanting to accept JD Vance isn’t existing in reality. He is existing in MAGA reality. Which is incoherent and separate from actuality.

            • Pissman2020@lemmy.world
              41·
              2 months ago

              Because the point of an election is to determine who has the best body language. You heard it here first folks

              • Zexks@lemmy.world
                21·
                2 months ago

                You all don’t seem to understand how stupid people vote. Or what’s important to them or most importantly HOW FUCKING MANY OF THEM YHERE ARE.

              • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
                18·
                2 months ago

                Trump looks like he’s about to fall forward at all times, and his blank, geriatric, demented stare is honestly a spectical at this point, paired with his constant word salad.

                I guess that means Kamala wins, folks. Wrap it up, everyone. It’s over. Let’s go home and move on.

              • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works
                15·
                2 months ago

                You jest but half a country are below average intelligence. It’s not outlandish to think that many individuals in that half aren’t really following what is being said or understand it. What they can follow is the visuals. How they look, how they stand, how they move; how they “read”. And a non-trivial number of above average people still judge books by their covers.

                I think the point the person above was trying to make is that Vance won the area the majority of people can evaluate and the importance of visuals.

              • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                8·
                2 months ago

                Harris’s body language was far superior to Trump’s. And is part of why she crushed him so completely.

                EDIT: Body language is incredibly important to QAnon btw, because QAnon believes that JD Vance is not free to speak his mind. So these nods and looks JD Vance are doing are non-verbal acknowledgements that also plays to the whole “Q” and “Deep State” shit. Yadda-yadda.

                I’m not sure if you’re recognizing the threat this body language actually is, or the role its playing in this debate. Tim Walz certainly looks completely ignorant to it all (or at least, doesn’t want to deal with it). This is JD Vance literally leaning into Q-shit and rallying it.

                • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  15·
                  2 months ago

                  Wow, and I thought your first post was full of maga copium, but damn, this one takes the cake.

                  Who the actual fuck gives a single wet shit what QTurds have to say?

            • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
              26·
              2 months ago

              Image, body language. Looking at the camera with the “Marine Stare” to show off with body language his disdain for a particular topic or response from Walz

              JD Vance is, and he’s able to rally people with just a glance. It was clearly effective. Though perhaps in a “deeper” political look / visual communication cue rather than actual talking.

              JD Vance is the complete package

              That’s so damn horny 😄

              Are you a couch?

            • rockSlayer@lemmy.world
              8·
              2 months ago

              I know you’re getting downvoted, but I appreciate this analysis. I have autism and don’t pick up on body language

              • 474D@lemmy.world
                20·
                2 months ago

                JD Vance did full 100% politician stance the entire time so I don’t think there’s anything to take from it.

              • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 months ago

                Oh, my first impression was it might be WSJ. Which if those other two are supposedly centrist, but almost always side with the right, then WSJ’s op-ed portion is almost cartoonishly right-wing.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            9·
            2 months ago

            Are you really denying the poll which has now been replicated on CNN and CBS instant polls?

            JD Vance won the debate in every reputable flash poll I’ve read this morning. For fucks sake you dumbass, open your eyes and recognize the political challenge before us.

            You’d rather muse on irrelevant technicalities than see the actual polls from the electorate. Small polls are in fact statistically sound btw if handled correctly, and the methodology of focusing on undecided voters is the key here. The election is close and we need every vote we can get to stop Trump, and you are blinding yourself to the truth of the situation.

            • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee
              4·
              2 months ago

              You’re getting emotional over something that doesn’t matter. Only 1% of people changed their views after this debate

                • ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  Yes he did, which would normally be fantastic except you have to consider where he started.

                  Again, try to be a bit more level headed. Yes, he did well. Yes, about 1% changed who they are voting for (could be either d/r). People are voting between Harris or Trump. The VP debates just let you get to know the VP candidates a bit more.

                  Also, I’m not the one downvoting you

        • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
          21·
          2 months ago

          Ah yes, “the numbers”. Are those the same numbers that say Trump has the bigliest rallies? Are they the BEST NUMBERS OF ALL TIME?

          Yeah, you might be an idiot if it belive any of that. That’s your right, though. It’s a free country, for now.

          • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            2 months ago

            You didn’t even read the article.

            A flash poll conducted by CNN and SSRS after the debate among 574 registered voters who watched the showdown found that 51 percent of respondents said that Vance came out on top, compared to 49 percent who said the same of Walz. The margin of error was +/- 5.3 points.

            A CBS News flash poll performed in conjunction with YouGov also showed Vance winning by a slim margin, with 42 percent of 1,630 respondents saying they thought the Ohio senator won the debate, to Walz’s 41 percent. The margin of error was +/- 2.7 points. Seventeen percent of respondents said the debate was a draw.

            What you, and your system of copera is doing, is muddying the waters and ignoring JD Vance performance.

            Trump dies in a few years, he’s a 78-year-old sickly man. JD Vance is the guy we will likely have to deal with the rest of our lives politically speaking. He’s young and clearly taking charge of the ideology. This is a long term problem (even if Trump is the bigger problem).

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 months ago

        To be completely fair, I think Vance lying through his teeth lost less red followers than Walz saying expanding Israel’s influence was a necessity lost blue followers.

        I’m still never going to vote for another Republican, but that was an absolutely horrible way to start the debate.

  • stoly@lemmy.world
    9·
    2 months ago

    I watched the whole thing. Nobody freaked out. Stupid headline.

    Edit: title doesn’t match the real headline.

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
      17·
      2 months ago

      I agree.

      If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive.

      Post should be removed as it is currently.

      Edit: Apparently the site changed the title not the OP. https://lemmings.world/comment/11113006

      I’m not sure if there’s a way to know without checking.

      • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
        5·
        2 months ago

        I’m not sure if there’s a way to know without checking.

        There’s not, but I still had a post removed for it. (Worse, after I’d agreed to change it when notified, but not cheerfully enough or something.)