Summary
Senator Bernie Sanders condemned Trump’s order to freeze all federal loans and grants, calling it a “dangerous move towards authoritarianism” and “blatantly unconstitutional.”
The directive, exempting Social Security and Medicare, is expected to impact universities, nonprofits, food assistance programs, health centers, and disabled veterans.
Sanders emphasized that Congress holds the “power of the purse” and urged Americans to oppose the order.
Attorneys general are preparing legal challenges to overturn the freeze.
Unless someone actually does something, he effectively is a king.
Blasts! Slams! Eviscerates!
I’d quite like to see him face serious consequences for once
Sliced! Diced! Julien-fries’d!
According to the Supreme Court, he is a king. I do not know why everyone hasn’t been absolutely freaking out about that ruling since it came down. According to that court, he is allowed to do literally anything as long as it’s an official act. This is not a rules-based society anymore.
Weirdly enough, many if not most kings in history were not absolute monarchs and had to follow some rules and expectations or risk losing their power (and possibly life).
I read a book not too long ago with a line along the lines of “every nation is in some ways a republic”. It was in the context of someone trying to convince a monarch on a course of action, but they hadn’t realized their opponent had already convinced everyone directly below the monarch to do the opposite. There was no outcome where the monarch’s decision mattered, because without their knowledge their choice was actually going to impact if they got to keep their throne.
The constitution is just an established set of rules. The president is only the person those rules say gets to do certain things. Political power grows from the barrel of a gun, but at its core it is the ability to make people use those guns and to ensure that the only consequences they face are a pension and maybe a medal.
You know what we do to kings?
Live under their rule until they appoint another king/queen and then they die.
Nothing
The ruling is that he can’t be prosecuted for official acts. Not that he can do them.
He can order the moon to reverse its orbit without getting in trouble, but the moon doesn’t have to obey.
The biggest power he has is over the administrative state. Lots of executive agencies create regulations because of power granted to those agencies by Congress. Things like the FAA, EPA, FTC, SEC, ATFE, etc. A President can fuck up all those regulations.
But what Trump is already running into is the fact that his power doesn’t extend to overturning items passed by the legislature. His birthright citizenship order didn’t last a day. A judge has already thrown out the freeze because Congress pases budgets, not the executive.
He couldn’t overturn the ACA last time around because it was a law passed by the legislature. Even though he controls the ATF and can control some of their interpretations, he can’t declare machine guns and silencers legal because the NFA is a law passed by Congress.
And even his power over the administrative state is in some danger because over the overturn of Chevron deference last year that allows judges to ignore the opinions of administrative agency holdings.
That ruling removes any kind of criminal check on the president.
Theoretically there is still a congressional check, via impeachment, but we have learned that is not terribly viable given how difficult it is to convict.
There is the check provided by the 25th amendment, but again, the hurdle is so large that it may not be viable.
Of course there is also a political check, via elections and the 22nd amendment, but that takes years to kick in under the best circumstances, and has limited immediate influence on a second term president.
There is also violence. The president could be checked by an assassin, for example. But that is extremely unlikely.
Under the rules, the president has a limited scope of action as you’ve described. The problem arises when the president decides to overstep those rules, violate laws, or do things that the constitution assigns to other branches. We are in a situation where the checks on such overreach are vanishingly weak as described above. trump is already attempting such violations, such as with the freeze yesterday. Yes, a court has intervened for now, but there is every reason to believe that will be reversed or overturned. But, even if it isn’t, consider what happens if the president chooses to violate the courts ruling.
I understand that the president can’t literate do anything. But no king in history has ever actually has unlimited power and we are in the early days of this new imperial presidency. This is a group project between all three branches. Both congress and the court are working diligently to enshrine the president as a king and the populace has shown little willingness to resist any of this. I would argue that we are effectively there already, but I suppose there are a few remaining hypothetical threads holding him back.
Yes, it’s bad.
But we’ve already had some small judicial pushback, and from Republican judges.
We need to throw wrenches into every gear we can for 2 years, and it’s going to suck, but we can get there.
Though what’s neat politically (and horrible socially), is the stuff he can do is the sort of thing that will result in severe economic consequences. That’s the number 1 indicator of how the next election will turn out. Trump and the GOP are lighting fire to their own rope right now.
There’s enough GOP senatorial seats up for re-election in 2026 that if he fucks up bad enough he and Vance could be removed from office in January 2027, giving the Dems the White House and the ability to pack the Court before his term is even half-finished.
I don’t think the GOP will give him enough rope to do that to their party.
There is nothing that dumpy is doing that cannot be undone or re-done by a future president.
Relying on a president that changes every 4-8 years to make overwhelming changes is going to cause a lot of issues. If we thought government was dysfunctional before, just wait until it’s maliciously dysfunctional.
I think all the suffering brought on by his stupid, selfish, cruel decisions can’t just be “fixed” by the next president.
The system is broken and will never work. It’s a downward spiral until the next collapse. Obviously i’m cynical but unfortunately my cynicism is rarely wrong :\
Republicans, everyone who voted for him and everyone who decided to not vote or to vote for third parties all decided that he should be king.
Absolutely. There are also Dems in Congress/Senate that have been voting yea to his bills. It’s disgusting.
“Yeah, every single Republican hates us and are openly corrupt, but like 2 Dems (usually caucusing Independents) are also bad.”
Im confused, are we supposed to pretend that there aren’t also democrats that are voting for Trump initiatives? Because trying to remove accountability for that seems idiotic.
Drawing attention to the outliers that vote against party lines is something that is often done by concern trolls to argue both sides are the same and sow apathy for democrats. This is most noticeable around election time.
You may not be trying to do that but your comment resembles what they would say. Usually blaming all democrats for the actions of a few going against the party.
The Democrats (there’s five or six of them) that are voting for Trumps insane bills need to be named and shamed. It doesn’t have have anything to do with “both sides”.
So name those Democrats instead of painting the whole party with the same brush as the Republicans
I never said all of them. You’re way over reacting. The ones that are voting for the bills are easily found on the gov site that documents bills.
The comment you replied to literally says five or six of them.
Here’s me naming and shaming them:
https://lemm.ee/post/53639210Notice it’s not the entire party like you dumbly assume for some reason.
If you don’t want those laws to pass, vote and vocally support parties in a way that opposes Republicans. Shitting on Dems in this context will give us: fuck all, jack shit, and a real bad time.
Republicans don’t shit on themselves and each other over all the horrible stuff they do. They celebrate it. And that strategy is winning against us.
Im not American, I’m just looking on in shock and horror at your two party system and the justifications you all seem to give your favourite team honestly.
If you’re not here to support the solution to the problem then fuck off, you’re not helping.
Yeah I’ll fuck off about your dumb ass countries politics when you stop trying to imperialize mine. The liberal do-nothingness that’s plagued your country is a bullshit attitude that is now affecting my country, and im not going to sit here and pretend it doesn’t piss me off.
I’m curious what you do to support the solution, other than keyboard warrior.
Im not understanding what you’re trying to say. There are five or so Democrats voting for Trumps antics. And yes, all the Republicans vote down the line, that’s what they do.
I’m trying to say we need to support Democrats unconditionally if we want anything to improve. Any Democrat is better than Any Republican.
Whats your example on 5?
Support democrats unconditionally? You’ve lost your fucking mind.
Any Democrat is better than Any Republican.
No
In optimization problems where you are trying to find the minimum or maximum, you can get stuck in a local valley/crest where one option looks better than any other nearby options but if you move far enough away, you start getting even better options.
Any American politician that helps your country fall or divide is better for the rest of the world.
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
Supporting democrats unconditionally was what brought you guys into this mess in the first place lmao 🤣
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100% this. He’s going to operate as a king, and remove anyone in his way that disagrees. He will take every concession afforded to him by the spineless Republican party and some spineless Dems also.
Many people that voted for Bernie in 2016 voted for Trump in 2024. Many people eople who voted for Trump in 2024 also voted for AOC down ballot.
The Democratic party has basically made every single mistake they could possibly make in the last 8 years. To lost to fuckin Trump not once but twice is fuckin embarrassing.
Let’s see if they learn anything by 2028. I doubt they will but here’s to hoping.
I’m hoping the voters will learn again by 2028 if there are any left.
Yeah the Neolibs would rather burn the country down than lose power.
We need a new leftist party that isn’t the Democrats.
The leftists were the ones who back Trump to own the libs.
Hopefully they realize their mistake for the next election.
Nice Strawman,
Now let’s see Paul Allen’s
Trump is full of McDonald’s not straw.
I’m pretty sure that people who didn’t vote or voted for other candidates didn’t decide he should be king, kind of by definition.
Nah they saw the choices and didn’t care to participate in any meaningful way so they can’t just wash their hands of the choice they made.
“If you don’t want to eat your vegetables, then you can go to bed without dinner. Which do you want, vegetables or bed?”
“I WANT ICE CREAM!”
“That’s it! GO TO YOUR ROOM!”
“I DIDN’T VOTE FOR THIS!”
This is the perfect analogy
Little did he know, there was a mini fridge at the room stocked with ice cream
And also an ICE squad, for extra care
I mean, Harris got more votes than Biden did in the majority of the swing states. It’s okay to lay the blame squarely on the people who, you know, actually chose Trump.
It’s okay to lay the blame squarely on the people who, you know, actually chose Trump.
And I did, along with the other people who are to blame.
Well that’s not squarely then.
Trapezoidal
To quote rush
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice \ if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
I may not personally be a fan of Bernie (hes a centrist and im a leftist) but he would be an absolutely incredible compromise candidate (granted ideally we would not need to compromise with capitalists). Sadly even a compromise between labor and capital is “too much” for the ruling class.
Bernie isn’t perfect, but he’s been the only candidate who holds some left-leaning ideologies without being totally impossible to elect.
It’s too bad he got shut down for Hillary, and now he’s much too old to start a pres. term.
I feel bad for Bernie. I never agreed with his politics 100% across the board but I have the utmost respect for the man. He has stuck to his guns basically since he started. It’s a real shame the Democrats shot him down to shove Hillary down our throats in 2016.
That was basically the moment when it became apparent that the Dems chose oligarchy. Had they let Bernie run and win, we wouldn’t be in this predicament. Had they chosen to prosecute crime instead of protect wealth, we wouldn’t be in this predicament.
Yeah but to prosecute crime would have involved going after many of their own voters and donors.
Gasp!
Integrity? Can’t have that!
What’s the last politician that legitimately had integrity? Besides Bernie.
AOC?
She voted against the railroad workers strike, so nah. She sold out to the DNC for a chance at power only for Pelosi to go assist her anyway.
She’s still one of the best politicians y’all have though. But that bar is so low it’s underground, so…
Ehhhhhh. I like her somewhat. I appreciate that she calls shit out instead of trying to PR speak everything all the time.
But she has been caught lying or misrepresenting data a handful of times (I mean what political figure has ever told the truth 100% of the time).
That Photoshoot of her crying at the border just really rubbed me the wrong way. She could have posted photos of the actual camps or tried to shed light on the situation in a more direct way. The photos of her fake crying at some chain link fence just really sst wrong with me and it still does.
Not that she’s the first politician that ever staged a photo op in the history of the world, but I expect better from her ya know?
It’s important to be critical of people we support, but it’s also important not to throw the baby away with the bathwater.
OK, she took a photo you don’t like. Who the fuck cares? It’s politics. Does her policy positions agree with yours? That’s what’s important, not what she does to get attention on social media.
The handcuff photo-op she did was ridiculous
If they just follow his orders and there’s no consequences for laws walked over in the process then it isn’t really illegal is it?
I fucking hate this timeline.So anyway bernie started blasting
I’m sure it’s not legal, but I don’t think that matters anymore.
The loans part doesn’t even make sense, thats money that will be paid back
I’m pretty sure the constitution outlines this sort of changes in budget and allocation as Congress’ sole authority.
I just gave it a quick read-through and it doesn’t state anywhere in Article II that he has the power to do this, and further he is required by Article II Section 3 to enforce all laws passed by congress. This is supposedly the section that they used to Impeach Bill Clinton, as his perjury in a civil case was considered breaking the law and therefor failing to enforce it.
Fun fact, the new admin has removed the Constitution from the website, promises to put it back eventually.
Read the whole thing this morning thanks to Leejay over on Patreon, you can also listen to her read the whole thing as well has highlight and explain parts of it here: https://youtu.be/VoNp_ExiOyI
I recommend we all read it wherever you like. But read it nonetheless. Unfortunately it’s not that long.
But yeah he doesn’t have this power according to our constitution.
He is a king and all that stuff about taxes and representation and kings has been tossed by the people.
This is what they want.
Legality aside, you guys should consider doing a rundown of wasteful spending. There is this growing concern on the taxpayer citizens that many, if not all, of the projects that the federal government funds through grants are ridiculous.
It also seems like a lot of federal grants go to NGOs that are carrying out essentially political activities.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if many of the federal departments were still awarding grants and loans that directly went against the executive actions Trump put into place.
Say what you want, but at least is logically consistent to do a broad review of federal grants and loans as long as they eliminate some of the wasteful spending. Now, even though there’s not a lot of details about how this is going to be carried out, I’m pretty sure it’s not going to fix the budget, but it’s a start.
I’m guessing (because why not) that the concern Trump has is that if they just did a spend review on a case by case basis, things would get slow-walked to the point that the reviews never happen.
By stopping everything and making re-starting it conditional on passing a review to ensure it’s in line with the new standards it provides a strong motivating force to get the reviews done ASAP. Basically subsidizing on demand.
IMO this is a direct result of all the #resistance undermining of Trump during his first term by administrative staffers.
BTW, all this craziness? It really highlights how much power the executive branch has accumulated over the years.
Remember to never give power to someone you like if you’re not willing for someone you don’t like to have that same power. That’s why failsafes and spreading out the keys to power is important in a democratic republic
The government giveth, the government taketh away
You might be giving Trump too much credit here with regards to this move being an attempt to review and reduce wasteful government spending. This is just another move to force organizations to kowtow to him or be dissolved.
Totally agree with you on reducing the concentration of power in the executive branch though.
If the organizations are not that vital but still deemed necessary, they might secure private funding, with all it implies.
Also reducing the number of organizations on the budget WILL reduce spending, like it or not, wasteful or not.
About the kowtowing, I am unsure. If you read the text of the official memo:
"The use of Federal resources to advance Marxist equity, transgenderism, and green new deal social engineering policies is a waste of taxpayer dollars that does not improve the day-to-day lives of those we serve.”
They clearly think some of the things the taxpayer money is going are not improving their lives.
So basically if that’s not true, there should be like, maybe protests of people demanding those organizations to be kept, surely.
Like it or not, People voted for this. You can look up hundreds of polls where the American people view the federal government as wasteful and bloated.
And how not to think like that? Look at the doc of the programs they look to pause:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/25506813/govdoc20250128-263582.pdf
Just a cursory search gave me 17 hits on programs related to counter terrorism.
22 related to railroad maintenance and workers safety
2 duplicate sexual assault programs that apparently differ in that one of those is due minorities and other is not?
Do you really believe someone will bat an eye if those 17 counter terrorism, or 22 railroad programs are gone and rolled into one? given that, for the common voter, just having one central program for those specific needs would probably look better on an audit, and more streamlined?
We will see what happens if the status quo for most people changes, for better or worse, after all these cuts are made.
We’re talking about a pause on all federal grants and loans, he’s going to disrupt the economy and people’s lives just to reduce spending to maybe more efficiently allocate funding. You bring up the number of programs for counter terrorism and railroad maintenance and safety, but they probably have different goals or jurisdictions. Not to say that they couldn’t be merged or their spending audited, but Trump’s method of just breaking everything and see what happens is dangerous and irresponsible.
Also the polls you bring up don’t justify Trump’s method here. Most people agree that some government spending is wasteful but that can’t justify all actions Trump takes so long as he says it’s for reducing government spending.
That is your opinion.
Clearly the majority disagree.
Myself, do not see it as breaking things. It’s very simple for those programs to continue, they just need to comply with the requested.
Those who don’t, will get culled just by not qualifying. This might translate in lower taxes in the long run. But it has to start somewhere.
I think that it is irresponsible to spend the taxpayers money “just because” it is simpler for inertia to take hold and just do nothing.
I also think that taking 4 years twiddling your fingers, bidding the time to do those changes as carefully as possible to not bother anyone is irresponsible as well for the taxpayer who’s breaking their backs working everyday to fund things that they may or may not see a direct benefit.
In the end, you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs
As if anything he’s doing is to help the fucking taxpayers… Certainly not the majority of them. Maybe the ones in the top brackets, so they can pay even less while the working class gets tax hikes and inflated prices for everything essential.
I will agree that this is what was voted for. Now the idiots get to lay in the bed they’ve just shat in.
Those “fucking taxpayers” are voters.
And if you ever dream of winning another election, you need them
So yeah maybe take that into account
About it helping or not, we will have to wait and see. You don’t usually reduce spend just for the kicks of it. Ideally it is to stop taxing the people or redirecting to specific emergency needs
Why are the eggs being broken always regular people’s paychecks and food stamps? Why not rich people’s third vacation homes or yachts?
Bullshit Trump troll trying to muddy the waters
The world is richer than ever my guy. There are more super rich than ever. Fuck this underfunding attitude.
Yep, and austerity kills people. If you want to force the Pentagon to pass an audit before giving them another penny, be my guest, but “the government” isn’t wasteful.
Also even if everything ends up being funded again, this put a whole ton of needless stress on people wondering if they’re gonna get paid.
That’s my point, tax the rich.
Wasn’t Trump f**King a porn star?
Yes. Not sure why this is relevant here though.
With the definition the GOP uses he is married to a porn star as well, also not relevant here, but if we are on the topic
