• Tattorack@lemmy.world
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    Here in Denmark a crazed man attacked the Fields shopping center with a couple of hunting rifles. The first time something like this happened in a very long time.

    Danish armed police had a quick response time. Loads of dudes with in full body armour and MP-5s guarding every main exit while other guys went inside to clear out the civilians and hunt the shooter down.

    The sniper equipped helicopter circling the shopping center spotted the shooter coming out of a service door and he subsequently got caught.

    I think in total only 5 people died, which was from the short period when the guy started shooting.

    All the right wing gun addicts from America were chest thumping and table banging, shouting all over social media that this somehow was an example that gun laws don’t work. However, considering this happened within a short period after the school shooting in America, all it truly did was make American police look like a bad joke.

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      It’s exactly because our police are a cult that we need armed citizens.

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        Yup. That’s why you never see public police brutality in the US. Couldn’t get away with that with all the armed citizens around.

        Oh wait, you just film it and post in on tiktok instead.

        Guess the guns are just for looking cool in walmart and shooting kids at schools afterall.

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            Has there ever been someone armed that has stopped police abuse? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case like that.

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              The black panthers routinely showed up armed and arguably had that effect. Ironically, this then led to more gun control laws being put in place.

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              One example: on May 30, 2020 in Minneapolis, during the protests after George Floyd killing, some police were driving around the streets in an unmarked van, shooting at pedestrians at random without stopping. They later claimed they were shooting rubber bullets to “encourage” people to obey the curfew order. Of course, if you are the one being shot at in a drive by from a mystery van, you have no time to determine what kind of bullets are being fired… One pedestrian shot back! There is a video of it.

              The guy was immediately arrested, miraculously without being shot to death in the process, and put on trial, but acquitted due to justifiable self-defense. The police did not drive around shooting randomly any more after that though. I see the guy even won a $1.5M lawsuit against the police now!

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                Nice job on actually finding an example. And it is a great one. I really don’t want to diminish that.

                But it feels like a rare case and I’m not a proof of concept.

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              A lone individual is just going to get themselves killed, and probably cause the police to arm themselves even more. Which would be extremely counter productive.

              I’d also like to add that you don’t need fun to stop police brutality, and yet nobody is willing to stop it. Mostly because you’re just going to end up being the one police brutalitied in addition to the other guy.

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              I’m sure they don’t like publishing results that aren’t good for their goals.

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        Its not. No one needs armed citizen. All it leads to are the hundreds of shootings in your country. You need trained police and strict gun laws. Get rid of privately owned guns and the cops wont be scared everyone has a gun somewhere.

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          No one needs armed citizen.

          You’ll learn the error of your ways. There’s no such thing as end of history, and all absolutes, including this one, are tried one after another again and again.

          That said, American police is crap.

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          Go train the police then. Let me know if they listen to you. Let me know if it goes fairly. Afterwards face reality. This isn’t Europe. We already have a police force cult and nobody is stopping them without force. Maybe you’d be right if you were starting a brand new country somewhere without displacing any natives and kept a strong border to stop smugglers.

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                You do know that there isn’t a finite number of police and if you kill a few, they will hire more, right?

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                  Maybe we’ll be left with an essence of what used to be if we dilute the crowd enough.

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                  If everyone kept killing cops and suddenly nobody would want to be a cop.

                  I also liked my bosses idea. Strap a paintball gun to a drone. Then every time a cop pulls someone over in this notorious speed trap you start shouting the cop with paintballs and fly away. Maybe then they’d find something more productive to do.

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                    So you’re going to start killing cops now, right? When’s your first shooting spree?

                    I mean if that’s the solution, why haven’t you taken the initiative?

                    Otherwise, this sure sounds like some armchair general talk.

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          What about countries that do have strict gun laws and only relatively recently started having shootings? What changed between then and now across the West?

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          Necessary violence. You think they’re just gonna pack up and leave with an “oh right we’re the bad guys. I can totally see that now.”?

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            Of course, the only solution then is escalation. You can make it, all it costs is are a few good people. Right?

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              I’ll literally take the fall myself. I don’t want to live in these conditions.

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        Cults are small. The police are much more dangerous than a cult. Don’t be afraid to use harsher terms against them, they’re a religion!

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          Cops have a lower frequency of good people than the sum of everyone else. Wanna know what makes the difference? Cops are specifically people who sought out that power. This also applies to politicians, judges, and HOA board members.

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        Romania, the country that’s not even shengen yet (meaning you can’t cross the border without being checked by customs, EXACTLY BECAUSE it’s fucked)? Lol, you really showed Denmark xD

        Also saying America is doing “better” at combating crime is only true if you want to compare yourself to war torn counties. The US has a comparable amount of people in prison to China. COMPARABLE to a country where you get arrested for looking the wrong way. Yes, China has more prisoners, but it also has 4 times the population! America is failing spectacularly at keeping its monopoly of violence as a state. When a civilian shooting happens in the rest of the 1st and 2nd world it’s a tragedy that shakes the country, meanwhile in America half the population feels nothing, because it happens so often.

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        Europe likes to shit on the US because of people like you making excuses and letting problems in America continue being problems.

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        Tell me you know nothing about Europe, the EU or the Schengen area without stating so verbatim.

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      As much as ACAB, I can admit that sometimes an armed response is necessary. It sounds like you danes have a well trained force, rather than some 6 week academy psychos with a hard-on for violence.

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        Cops aren’t really bastards in Denmark. Oh sure, you’ll find anti establishment types everywhere; there certainly is no love for the police in Christiania. However, the overall opinion of Danish citizens towards the police is positive. In Denmark people genuinely feel safer seeing a policeman on the street.

        Police in Copenhagen are also friendly; unless they’re in the middle of something, you can, as a citizen or a tourist, walk up to one and ask them questions.

        Police do carry pistols in Denmark, but someone just starting their career in law enforcement isn’t immediately given a gun until they’ve had a good job record and proper training for a few years. The amount of paperwork a cop has to go through for even suggesting they’ll pull their gun is staggering.

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        It isn’t any more complicated than that ACAB is an obvious US-centric exaggeration and that there are police forces out there that doesn’t suffer from the same systemic problems that according* to American media is pandemic in their country.

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            I stand corrected on that part then, it was wrong assumption based on the fact it seems like 99,9% of all negative news in regards to police I see is from USA. I’ll strike it out.

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              Well tbf our cops do kinda suck a lot and we have some glaring systemic issues with our policing system lol, it’s not like the assumption is unreasonable!

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                It’s maybe not unreasonable, but as someone living in Norway with only neutral/positive experience with police, it certainly rubs me the wrong way when people speak of it as if it is an universal truth. Especially as American online culture inevitably affects Norwegian kids’ view of society, which is very different from the American society.