• Mango@lemmy.world
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    It’s exactly because our police are a cult that we need armed citizens.

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      Yup. That’s why you never see public police brutality in the US. Couldn’t get away with that with all the armed citizens around.

      Oh wait, you just film it and post in on tiktok instead.

      Guess the guns are just for looking cool in walmart and shooting kids at schools afterall.

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          Has there ever been someone armed that has stopped police abuse? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case like that.

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            The black panthers routinely showed up armed and arguably had that effect. Ironically, this then led to more gun control laws being put in place.

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            One example: on May 30, 2020 in Minneapolis, during the protests after George Floyd killing, some police were driving around the streets in an unmarked van, shooting at pedestrians at random without stopping. They later claimed they were shooting rubber bullets to “encourage” people to obey the curfew order. Of course, if you are the one being shot at in a drive by from a mystery van, you have no time to determine what kind of bullets are being fired… One pedestrian shot back! There is a video of it.

            The guy was immediately arrested, miraculously without being shot to death in the process, and put on trial, but acquitted due to justifiable self-defense. The police did not drive around shooting randomly any more after that though. I see the guy even won a $1.5M lawsuit against the police now!

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              Nice job on actually finding an example. And it is a great one. I really don’t want to diminish that.

              But it feels like a rare case and I’m not a proof of concept.

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            I’m sure they don’t like publishing results that aren’t good for their goals.

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            A lone individual is just going to get themselves killed, and probably cause the police to arm themselves even more. Which would be extremely counter productive.

            I’d also like to add that you don’t need fun to stop police brutality, and yet nobody is willing to stop it. Mostly because you’re just going to end up being the one police brutalitied in addition to the other guy.

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      Its not. No one needs armed citizen. All it leads to are the hundreds of shootings in your country. You need trained police and strict gun laws. Get rid of privately owned guns and the cops wont be scared everyone has a gun somewhere.

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        Go train the police then. Let me know if they listen to you. Let me know if it goes fairly. Afterwards face reality. This isn’t Europe. We already have a police force cult and nobody is stopping them without force. Maybe you’d be right if you were starting a brand new country somewhere without displacing any natives and kept a strong border to stop smugglers.

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              You do know that there isn’t a finite number of police and if you kill a few, they will hire more, right?

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                Maybe we’ll be left with an essence of what used to be if we dilute the crowd enough.

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                    I would actually suggest starting up a new force with a better name and dramatically more strict guidelines.

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                If everyone kept killing cops and suddenly nobody would want to be a cop.

                I also liked my bosses idea. Strap a paintball gun to a drone. Then every time a cop pulls someone over in this notorious speed trap you start shouting the cop with paintballs and fly away. Maybe then they’d find something more productive to do.

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                  So you’re going to start killing cops now, right? When’s your first shooting spree?

                  I mean if that’s the solution, why haven’t you taken the initiative?

                  Otherwise, this sure sounds like some armchair general talk.

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        No one needs armed citizen.

        You’ll learn the error of your ways. There’s no such thing as end of history, and all absolutes, including this one, are tried one after another again and again.

        That said, American police is crap.

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        What about countries that do have strict gun laws and only relatively recently started having shootings? What changed between then and now across the West?

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        Necessary violence. You think they’re just gonna pack up and leave with an “oh right we’re the bad guys. I can totally see that now.”?

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          Of course, the only solution then is escalation. You can make it, all it costs is are a few good people. Right?

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            I’ll literally take the fall myself. I don’t want to live in these conditions.

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      Cults are small. The police are much more dangerous than a cult. Don’t be afraid to use harsher terms against them, they’re a religion!

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        Cops have a lower frequency of good people than the sum of everyone else. Wanna know what makes the difference? Cops are specifically people who sought out that power. This also applies to politicians, judges, and HOA board members.