Does warmer mean temperature? Color? Something else?
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I’d be with you if it weren’t so obvious.
Doesn’t look like anything to me.
I assume this just means “pick inside” without saying it directly. The sample photo is of an inside space. No? The two in the middle row, I assume, are the “correct” answer.
Often the correct answer is only half the puzzle - how you answer (mouse movement) also can be to determine things
No, there’s far more depth to that. The goal isn’t for you to prove yourself human, the goal is to teach an AI how to “think more human”.
1, 2 and 7 are obviously cold. They’re oustide, with no “warm” colour lighting.
3 and 6 are both green houses, the green house could be considered “warm”, but 3 has light on the inside. This is perhaps a test against AI readers. To a human, they both seem warm inside, but an AI might differentiate based on the lighting.
9 is a dark brown house, but 8 is a light brown house that is illuminated by external lighting. This contrasts with 3 and 6, because 6 has external lighting but it does not illuminate much.
4 and 5 are both internal shots. 4 is light and airy, meanwhile 5 is a bit more grey - but then, grey is the fashion these days.
All in all this is a bullshit test made up by bullshit people looking to get a bullshit result, with which they hope to make money off of.
You’re working to help them make more money, meanwhile they don’t pay you for your labor. They also collect data from your connection to their servers - as well as the website you’re trying to access, you will almost certainly be connecting to at least 2 other servers to deliver this hcaptcha, and thanks to cooperation with the website host hcaptcha will triangulate the internet routing and fingerprinting information to attain a significantly accurate identification of you as an indvidual (which they will then consolidate with whatever other information they have).
Much like a disgruntled worker might “phone it in”, or work within the requirements of their paid employment, or “quiet quit”; you should limit and perhaps even poison the output you give in proportion to what you’re being paid for your labor.
The goal isn’t to satisfy captcha, the goal is to get passed it while giving as little commercial value as they compensate you for.
Your data has value. If it didn’t, then Facebook and Google wouldn’t be amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world. You own the value they establish themselves with, they just claim a license.
Way to throw a shit fit over paying 5 seconds of labor to use a service
The service is free to use. My access to it is not conditional to my authentic participation in unpaid labor, and nor is it equivalent.
Personal data has value. Thought has value. Commercial enterprises like this attempt to suppress that value, while simultaneously using it to position themselves amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world. They should pay us for our data.
What they do is akin to a car manufacturer saying they shouldn’t pay the person who makes nuts and bolts, because nuts and bolts have far less value than a car, and the people who make nuts and bolts do not know how to build a car. This is would be a ridiculous scenario; it is also ridiculous that users aren’t paid fairly for their data.
If people were paid fairly for their data, then these businesses would have no scope to raise the price of their product in line with this new (fair) material cost. This is because the cost of their product is already an exaggeration of the value they provide. They sell their product for more than it’s worth, meanwhile they pay their data suppliers (every single human being) nothing. Of course they don’t want you to realise the value they’re taking, doing so could only reduce their profits.
The service is free to use
No it isn’t.
My access to it is not conditional to my authentic participation in unpaid labor
Yes it is, and you’re being paid by access.
Is paying in labor instead of money such an alien concept to you?
That isn’t the deal as described in the contract. That is how they try to frame the deal after the fact, to convince people to let them get away with it.
The site is free to access. While you access it, they claim rights to your data, or in this case the output of your work. It is not an exchange of access for data/labor, it is a free provision with terms snuck in via the fine print.
It’s really not that complicated. If you don’t want to pay to use a service, that’s your perogative, but it’s not a deceptive trade at all.
The website gets to avoid bots spamming forms, you get access to the forms, and Captcha gets some training data. Everyone benefits
It absolutely is deceptive. The captcha does not openly tell the user “if you complete this you’re going to train an AI system for us which we will eventually sell for profit”. The user is merely told to “prove that you’re human”. The terms and conditions or privacy policy also don’t spell things out in plain English, it’s all generalised statements meant to disguise what they’re doing.
It’s also not true that everyone benefits. The user is supposed to gain access to the website for free - the website wants users to visit. However, the website wants to prevent non-user bots from accessing the website. Instead of the website paying for a service to prevent bots and taking that as part of their overhead costs, the website is getting the user to provide unpaid labor to pay a third party for the service that the website wants. The service gets a benefit, the website doesn’t have to pay, the user has to do all the work with no fair reward.
If it was literally just proving the user was human, that would be different. These systems extract further value from the user, for which the user is not compensated.
It might only be a small thing, a few pennies here and there, but they’re stealing pennies from everyone.
If you’re wondering why does it seem so strange, it’s because the learning model is actually hyper sophisticated now. It knows what a bus, a bicycle, and a sailboat looks like, now it’s asking for comparative assessments of complex images. It clearly understands that snow is covering houses and that snow is cold.
OK, but that doesn’t explain why anybody thinks that this is good UX.
It isn’t supposed to be a good user experience, it’s supposed to train their AI models, and they figured out how to get you to do it for free.
There’s an example at the top along with the instructions.
This ain’t exactly the Mississippi.
Great, now they expect you to be thinking about lighting temperature terms. People who don’t do photography or haven’t read light bulb boxes won’t know wtf this means.
They could easily mean ambient temperature.
The example shows an interior room which would indeed be warmer. There are two which could be what they want you to select.
I think it means warmer than the thumbnail photo it shows at the top. It could mean temperature, it could even be trying to understand our sense of coziness, who knows what the ai is fishing for at any given moment
Can’t say I’ve had a captcha with only one result as the answer.
I had a captcha that had you click to place a single dot at the end of a line. They get weird sometimes.
Well yeah the word ones are single answer, but pick the pictures? Always more than one.
Don’t overthink it. Just select the interior ones.
Are you sure about that? Because I’m not. I would have to actually get this captcha and succeed or fail.
All the other ones are literally in the snow.
Yet different snow images have warm or cool color tones, some matching that of the example image, and the center shot appears to be a cooler color tone. You could be correct, but you could also be wrong. Again, it seems like some of you haven’t encountered captchas that employ nuance, where sometimes the obvious looking answer isn’t the correct one.
Is it the one that’s on fire?
It’s the “of one type” that gets me - to me that says I should be examining either the outdoor or the indoor pictures, not comparing between those two types of picture. So I should somehow pick the warmest outdoor or warmest indoor pictures.
It clearly says to select images of one type, not examine images of one type.
I would write it “Select all the images of the type which is warmer than the other type of image”
I think it’s just asking you to pick the indoor pictures because they don’t have snow in them. The confusing wording is to trick AI trying to get through captchas.
I worry about commenters in this post that seem to take this as some sort of highly complex problem verging on philosophical rather than a silly little riddle to go through as fast as possible to get to the primary part of website.
It’s the two that aren’t outside in the snow.
Exactly. Not that you would need it, but it even gives an example image showing the inside of a room lol
That’s exactly what the model is trying to learn.
Whole lot of AIs in this thread.
Go home, robot, you’re drunk
I always click randomly on the first 2 attempts to mislead the AI. Hopefully you did the same, and when the robots come to kill us the grease will freeze up and they won’t be able to move.
Numbering left to right, top to bottom, I think the answer should be 3, 5, 6, 9.
Fuck you for trying to get me to train your AI. If you want my work, fucking pay me.
Edit: To be clear, I think those answers would be most likely to almost seem correct to an alrgorithm, but actually break their objective for training.
You think 3,6 and 9 are warmer than 4?
I explicitly left out 4.
3, 4, 6, 8 surely.
I’m serious, do not call my Shirley.
3, 4, 6, 8 have the kind of lighting that a person might be drawn towards. The kind of thing they’re trying to train AI towards. My answers are meant to seem like the kind that AI would accept as a human answer, while also being wrong to the human eye.
It’s 4D chess. You have to predict what the AI thinks you would think, and agree with that, while providing an objectionable answer to the things AI is uncertain about.
If they want the right answer, they should be paying us for it. They’re a business, labor shouldn’t be free for them.
Why the hell are these needed
To train ai models
Yep, in this case they’re trying to train an AI on more abstract or “human” characteristics like whether or not something appears warm. That’s what these kinds of captchas are doing though, they’re outsourcing AI training.
The original captchas were to help computers read scanned books for OCR. It was a neat solution that had value where it prevented abuse on websites and helped open up knowledge to people.
Now captchas aren’t needed because of cookies and fingerprinting and tech companies know if you’re malicious or not. They kept it going because it’s so valuable to tech companies.
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