Edit: Looks like you can opt-out of that “new look and feel” pretty easily under the appearance settings but still, whats with putting rounded corners everywhere?
Edit 2: “Explore the web with a softer, more friendly aesthetic featuring rounded corners […] Designed to complement your operating system, whether on Windows 11, MacOS, or Linux.” The fuck does that mean? Windows 11 fair enough but most Linux distros don’t look like that at all.
No corner. Only Edge.
Yeah there goes my coffee …
Designed to complement your operating system, whether on Windows 11, MacOS, or Linux.”
Who the FUCK uses Edge on Linux??
I don’t know, but I’m terrified I’ll one day meet them.
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Me, but because I need chromium for work and refuse to use Chrome. Firefox for everyday browsing.
But… you can just use Chromium on Linux
Nooo just use degoogled chromium
I know one person :'(
Is there even a stable version for Linux? Last time I’ve checked it was still in beta
i don’t think i’ve ever used a microsoft product that didn’t feel like it was still in beta
That’s not fair, solitaire didn’t have too many bugs
And MSPaint has always been the perfection of beauty.
Honestly, has anyone been able to find ms paint bugs? It’s extremely stable too, reliability is king
Closest thing I can think of would be back in the day when colour palettes were small enough that paint had colour blends in its palette, if you filled with one of those, it didn’t treat that filled area as one colour so that you could fill it again with a different colour.
But I wouldn’t even call that a bug so much as a lack of feature. And it was kinda satisfying to fill one of those blended colours and then alternatively fill with the two colours that made the blend and watch it slowly creep out to fill the entire space. Lol I didn’t even realize I still had that memory in the archives.
it was kinda satisfying to fill one of those blended colours and then alternatively fill with the two colours that made the blend and watch it slowly creep out to fill the entire space
You might like this puzzle.
There’s a download link for .deb and .rpm on Microsoft’s website, with no disclaimer that it’s beta.
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Used it for a while. One very nice feature is that when you use multiple profiles, you can specify in which of those external links open in. Every other browser opens them in the window that last had focus so I regularly have work related links open up in the private profile.
Also the performance was quite nice.
But since they continuously rub new services in my face with new versions, I ditched it again.
Mozilla’s “Multi-Account Containers” extension on Firefox does a much better job at the multiple profiles feature you’ve described.
I miss the tab grouping from Chrome based browsers in Firefox.
And I think tab containers don’t provide the separation I need to properly separate work from private.
You might be better off using a custom Firefox profile for that then. Not too well integrated UI-wise sadly though
That’s essentially how this sub-thread started 😁
It’s like they want to drive away the experienced users who don’t need their hands held and rarely need support to focus on the part of the market that will still find ways to break things no matter how much they dumb it down.
One very nice feature is that when you use multiple profiles, you can specify in which of those external links open in.
is this similar to Firefox containers? dunno why mozzila makes it as a plugin and hasn’t bundled it in yet as a standard feature, literally can’t live without it.
Not quite. Let’s say I have two profiles: “work” and “private”. If I have both open at the same time, they are separate browser windows with different tabs, different settings and different extentions.
I can now specify that external links open in “work”. If I now click on a link in Slack or in Thunderbird, they open up in the window with the “work” profile, even if the “private” window was the last active one.
I use it for work - it allows me to keep things separate.
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For those telling me to change what I am doing, thanks, but no thanks. I use this solution because it works best for me.
Use different user accounts. That provides you with very stronger isolation and separation of concerns, with the bonus that you won’t be exposed to their crap.
How about you just let them use whatever works for them?
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you can use a work sandbox in firefox to keep it seperate
Corporations which stepped in intune
On Windows it’s visibly the most resource-efficient browser out there. Maybe it holds up on Linux as well?
Only thing I can think of is if you are developing a website or extension and need to make sure there isn’t some subtle browser difference. Though since it uses the same engine as Chrome, that use case should be a lot more niche than it used to be.
Heh reminds me when I was doing web development back in the day and had IE running on Linux. It actually made more sense to test compatibility with IE by running it through wine on Linux than actually doing it on Windows because I could have multiple versions of IE installed at the same time.
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I use bing as default search on my qutebrowser
They have the ability to run two websites side by side in one tab. No other browser does that. It’s insanely useful
Wha… Why are you using Edge?
I’m so confusedI mainly use Firefox but have Edge to test website with, can’t really uninstall it anyway.
Alright. This guy’s story checks out. Let’em through.
Damnit! Now I’ve oiled my pitchforks for nothing. Ah well… gues i’ll be visiting the political subs again…
Hey, I saw someone ask an innocent question about something they don’t know in a post down the street. Wanna go make fun that guy?
Oompa loompa doompadideed
We’re honna make fun of some guy down the steeet
Get a load of this guy not oiling his pitchfork regularly any way.
Well, I managed to uninstall it fully through Safe Mode and regedit but that made the fingerprint reader stop working. (It’s my sister’s laprop, okay? I use Mint on mine.)
not with that attitude you can’t. (C’mon. You know you wanna convert to linux.)
It is possible to remove it, needs a bit of work and running scripts as admin to do it but you can figure out if you look it up. I can’t remember how I did it and I don’t use windows anymore but first page results should bring it up.
Why not just use Ungoogled Chromium for your tests? It’s the same browser anyway, just without the spyware.
Because your tests might react differently in an environment with spyware. And rounded corners. These are called Edge cases.
LMFAO 💯
You can…
Much to the chagrin of a large portion of lemmy users Edge is not actually a bad browser. If you’re using a chromium based browser anyway there’s really nothing worse about edge than the other options. Obviously not talking about Firefox here.
Exactly. It’s my Chrome browser of choice. I use Firefox virtually all the time, but if I need somethiung that works in the cases where non-chromium does not, I use Edge. It’s a fast, its already installed so no extra fuss, it has the best vertical tab implementation that really should be standard for every single browser.
Would you say you use it in
edge cases?
im in the same boat edge is pretty fire tho imo compared to chrome at least.
i havent used it in a bit tho coz of firefox but its a fine browser firefox being good doesn’t make edge bad
The vertical tabs are why I keep it around.
I chose edge over chrome nowadays. But I’m still a firefox man. The AI help chat thingemejig of edge is also pretty okay.
Chagrin. When your step father Steve tells everyone in your school that you’re quote: as smooth as a seals behind down there… much to your chagrin.
Chagrin.
Edge is really the best browser for Windows users with low end PCs.
pretty much because like IE, when using Windows part of it runs in the background whether you like it or not.
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It got way better in the past few years. I think everybody hates it, because the internet explorer was that slow. So it just stayed in our minds that the Microsoft browser sucked.
It still sucks, but in a different way.
No. It sucks because it’s Chromium.
Most people on fedi will complain about there not being enough browser diversity and then immediately start worshipping and putting Firefox on a pedistal and complaining if anyone uses anything else
Show me in this doll where the Arch user hurt you. 😞
Using firefox will create browser diversity
I really don’t get their take on FF use. Maybe they don’t realize that virtually ALL the other browser options are Chromium based. Your only real choices are Chrome | Safari | Firefox
And Safari is only on apple devices. So for other devices its Chrome or Firefox. With Chrome having near market monopoly… so… yeah Firefox is diversity.
Real chads pirate Safari and run it on Arch. /s
Hmm… that should be possible shouldn’t it. Ok, my wife’s rarely used Thinkpad is turning into a my first Arch machine.
Scratch that she doesn’t want me screwing with her laptop, she said to put it on my desktop. TBF I have a habit, or rather an ADHD, of starting ‘upgrades’ to things and leaving them in a non-functioning state for a while before finally coming back to them and finishing.
What chromium alternative would you suggest?
One browser to actually use and one without anything to test shit on
The experience in the enterprise as well as the management of it make sense for any company who are a m365 shop. Native seamless single sign on with corporate identities, along with syncing the browser make it a no brained for me to use for work. For personal stuff though I stick with Firefox.
I have a few sites that do not work on FF. I have to use it sometimes.
Got stuff at work (Microsoft services, for the record) that’ll work in Edge or Chrome, but not entirely in Firefox (gee, wonder why)
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I upvote you to counter at least one downvote because you have an opinion.
I don’t understand what you mean by jank, and uBlock origin is objectively better on Firefox.
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox
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Odd, I rarely have any problems and I use a beta version.
Sure they can add rounded corners but can they fix this mess?
MicmosHoefteEdgehat my beloved <3
I gotta say I love that Microsoft has the self confidence to think that there are people who use edge on Linux.
I do. It’s more secure than any other alternative. Not private, but really, really secure.
How is Edge secure in any way? It isn’t even open source & and both Google (Chromium) and Microsoft add their code to it, so even if Chromium were more secure than Firefox, you could just normal Chromium, couldn’t you?
Not being open source ≠ not safe.
Microsoft ships hardened Chromium basically, with sandboxing turned up to eleven.
They also run their SmartScreen filtering on top of that.
Also, Firefox is more private, not secure. Either you run LibreFox or it’s less secure than Edge by default.
As it’s Microsoft, you can be pretty sure the option to turn off the new look and feel will be removed in 6 months
Or half finished and left in there for decades
It could even be both, if you really think about it
That way you can’t cut yourself on the sharp edges
I… Kind of like it?
So you’d say you’re not … ( •_•)>⌐■-■
… edgy (⌐■_■)
I’m almost afraid to admit, but I dig it.
Like I’m not going to use Edge, but it’s nice. 😛
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If you’re lucky, it’ll follow along with Chrome and start sharing your browser history to advertisers, too!
Actually, since it’s based off Chromium, I’m pretty sure(don’t quote me on this) that those changes will go downstream into most Chrome-based browsers automatically, unless they take the time to remove it manually.
Brave at least claims to be an actual fork of chromium, they cherry pick upstream apparently. It’s still full of crypto bs, so choose your poison.
You’re probably right. IMO Chromium should be dropped wherever possible.
In the ideal world these Chromium-based browsers would rebase into Ungoogled or something of the sort. But ofc that’s never happening, so I’d suggest getting ahead and setting things up on Firefox.
ATM I run Vivaldi and Firefox. Vivaldi is currently my main, but I also use FF quite often and will probably start try to switch away from Chromium in the future.
Use Firefox
I’ve noticed that there’s a shift in UI design currently back to the 2000s style of round UI design, which eventually moved out of the way for nice straight crisp corners when we shifted from CRTs to LCDs which could render pixel perfect images at last.
We never limited the viewport on a browser of course, that’s madness. But just look at XP’s bubbly design and interfaces of the time vs Win8/10’s very angular, clean crisp interface.
I do hope we’re not descending back into an age of curves, I’m not a fan. But styles come and go every few decades, and maybe younger people today are ready to experience their “age of curves” for the first time?
I wish cars stopped being curvy and went back to rectangle lights and straight lines
It might just be down to nostalgia, especially when it comes to the early 2000s Windows XP style aesthetic. Just think about all the Vaporwave stuff (although that seems to be mostly late-90s-ish).
I’m more of a Windows Aero fan, myself. Frutiger Aero in general has a very dystopian vibe for me but I’m a sucker for transparency.
I miss integrated transparency
I sort of understand rounding outside edges for aesthetics since there’s nothing lost and it might be easier as a target for resizing, but inside corners are just stupid. You’re arbitrarily cutting corners out of content for no good reason.
Also looks a lot better in a multi-window environment, i.e., not your phone.
Probably to match windows 11 borders
Remember: less viewport and more whitespace = somehow more ergonomic
I mean you can like or dislike it of course but are you really complaining about a viewport 20 square pixels smaller than normal
Yes, that’s what redditor/lemmy users do. None of these people know anything about UX design or the tens of millions of dollars companies pour into user research.
Any minimally decent website already has margin along the viewport edge, at worst you’re shaving off a few pixels from an image that the user probably hasn’t finished scrolling to anyway. There’s no real loss in content with this change.
apart from that it ruins any website’s unique design by forcefully shoving it’s rounded corners into it, or making anything in the corner look odd
How does it ruin unique designs? Nothing important should be so far in the corner that it gets cut off
i’ve designed a few websites recently which really favour sharp corners, and when one of my sharp objects randomly has a rounded corner, when none of the others do, just because it happens to be in the top left corner, in my opinion that’s a bad thing?
Are you able to show us an example of what you’re talking about? I genuinely cannot picture a situation where this would be remotely as bad as some of y’all are making it out to be, how do you design a website in such a way that very slightly chamfered edges completely ruins the look?
That was my takeaway.
THeSe mOroNs dOnT knOw What ThEYre dOIng! WHo thOUgHT thIs wAs a GooD IDeA?!
Probably the hundreds of focus groups that were behind the decision shrug
Yeah no joke. My company is much smaller than MS but they still do tons of user research and surveys. They’ve also been adopting rounded corners for everything. It is easier on the eyes for sure. I like it. The dev types who dominate lemmy always think they know better than ux, but most of them are comically bad at design.
Gosh I love scrolling through 7 pages just to read two paragraphs!
Guess they’re going for the CRT look? Next up, all pages default to 4:3?
“This website looks best on Microsoft Edge at a resolution of 800x600”
You’re joking, but that’s how I unintentionally use the web with Arc Browser. It has rounded corners and an adjustable sidebar of tabs on the
rightleft*. The resulting viewport istightlyapproximately* 4:3. Iirc, Edge can also have tabs on the side.When you close a tab everything shrinks to a tiny square and then blinks out of existence.
If you hold a magnet too close to edge it goes all weird.
