• Makeitstop@lemmy.world
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    While a majority favor a second Harris-Trump debate, the poll also found a sharp party split between those who want to see this happen. Among registered voters who prefer Harris, 71 percent hope to see another debate, a figure which drops to only 45 percent among those who prefer Trump.

    Awfully telling that a majority of Trump supporters don’t want to see him debate again. They may claim he won the debate, but clearly they don’t actually believe that.

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      or they do belief it, but they’re very worried he will lose the next one. either way, definitely not a good look

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    SCARBOROUGH: Why do you think Donald Trump won’t debate her again?

    EMHOFF: You saw the first debate didn’t you?

    SCARBOROUGH: Yeah

    EMHOFF: Yeah. That’s why. He got his ass kicked.

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    Those who still want to vote for him will find any excuse to reject the evidence in front of their eyes

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      A debate isn’t for the true believers, it’s for the absurdly uninformed dip shits who think it’s centrist to half agree with autocracy and ethnic clensing. They always need more convincing, and motivation to actually show up and vote.

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        But anyone who is uninformed to that level is completely unlikely to watch a debate. I mean, if they invested five minutes a night (maybe even a week) listening to the top news headlines, they wouldn’t be undecided.

        A debate is probably a waste of everyone’s time other than for entertainment value and selling clicks.

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      they’re gotten so accustomed to rejecting evidence that they’re now doing it preemptively. saying no to a second debate means there will be less evidence that they’ll have to reject later

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        I’ve watched my MIL completely lose all capability of critical thinking since becoming a trump supporter. She was a very smart person with good education and great street smarts, but by their words they didn’t like when Obama met only with democratic party leadership shortly after becoming president, and therefore voted for trump in 2016. At the time they would’ve been split ticket voters, voting Trump for president, but vocally in opposition to our republican governor at the time. The by the pandemic they were spouting nonsense that was opposing basic germ theory (MIL was a nurse for a while!) and now all of her kids are socially and emotionally separating from her more and more. For someone with 4 kids who’s all about their family, she sure is doing a great job of alienating her entire family!

        So yeah, I strongly believe that becoming part of Trump’s cult of personality harms peoples ability to think critically about anything based on my anecdata

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          Trump is a symptom, not the problem, this has been happening for years with Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, the sane side of republican radio, there’s unhinged full blown racism and fascism that’s been on AM radio for decades. It fucks people up who listen to it. Same lies over and over and over.

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    So what? If we cared about what a majority of Americans thought, then Hillary would have won

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    53% of Americans want to give him another chance at putting his foot further into his mouth. 47% just want to hear their god emperor make farting noses to “own the libs”. Note that they don’t care which side of him it comes from.

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    Why? Why does this drag on for so long? Surely everyone’s already made their minds up long ago.

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      10 percent of registered voters still report “undecided” in polls, and more than half of them won’t actually vote in November.

      What’s the point in pretending that these people don’t exist?

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        This circus has been going on for what feels like over a year. If they haven’t decided by now then I don’t think yet another debate is going to change anything. Most countries get the whole election announcement to government change sorted out in about 6 weeks.

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    why? we all know what it would be like

    Harris: restrictive immigration policies, no upping the federal minimum wage to a livable wage, less workers’ rights, less women’s rights, more fracking/oil and blames all the Democrat party’s shortcomings on the Republicans

    Trump: restrictive immigration policies, no upping the federal minimum wage to a livable wage, less workers’ rights, less women’s rights, more fracking/oil and blames all the Republican party’s shortcomings on the Democrats

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      I don’t remember any restrictive women’s right positions for Harris. She’s strongly for legalizing abortion. Maybe you can enlighten me?

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        yes, she has given strong lip service to women’s rights, but the Democrats have always done that with everything

        lip service with no plans or intent

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          she has given strong lip service to women’s rights, but the Democrats have always done that with everything

          And the dems have a great track record supporting and expanding Women’s rights. It was the GOP and their judges who overturned Roe while restricting women’s rights in every state they can.

          lip service with no plans or intent

          Only of you get your news straight from Trump. Here, in reality, that’s obviously not true

          https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/29/kamala-harris-abortion-restoring-roe-00171657

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          I don’t disagree about her disappointing stance on immigration but you’re smoking something if you don’t think she’s going to fight for women’s reproductive autonomy.

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            disappointing stance? it is the exact same response as Trump

            strictly controlled closed borders with no clear path to citizenship

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              Yea, that’s fucking disappointing. I’m not saying Trump is better… I’m disappointed Harris is that far to the right on what should be a common sense issue. I’d much rather we destroy shitty tools like the H1B visa that lock in immigrants to a single employer denying them any bargaining power for wages and other benefits and depriving domestic workers of bargaining power by undercutting them than keep out people fleeing unstable countries that America unstablized who mostly gravitate to low paying jobs that Americans don’t want anyways.

              Immigration policy in the US is fucking dumb.

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          You would think 50 years of lip service about women’s rights might convince people they are not telling the truth in their intentions.

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      Harris wants to raise the minimum wage

      The federal minimum wage has not increased from $7.25 per hour since 2009.

      On the campaign trail, Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris has said that needs to change.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/16/federal-minimum-wage-has-been-7point25-for-15-years-how-that-may-change.html

      Harris supports the PRO act to help union’s ability to organize in “right to work” states. It would stop companies from being able to hold mandatory anti-union meetings. It would allow the national labor relation board to directly issue fines for labor law violations and issue compensation to employees. And more

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/25/kamala-harris-speech-teachers-union

      Harris supports killing the filibuster to get abortion protections codified

      https://www.wpr.org/news/kamala-harris-presidential-campaign-vice-president-housing-affordability-pfas-pollution-wpr-interview

      Harris is for sure not perfect, but claiming the two are exactly the same is just not true

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      why?

      Literally just for the entertainment value.

      Want to watch Based Warrior Queen Girl Boss Brat Summer Harris completely decimate the Soy Broke Fat Old Nobody-Likes-You-Anymore Trump on TV while I eat my Hillary Can Still Win branded popcorn.

      Meanwhile, next door, my neighbor can watch the Uber King MAGA Supersoldier Trump utterly squash the Woke Fake Lame Ugly Second-Hand-Joe-Biden Harris on TV while he drinks his Black Rifle Coffee.

      Everybody has a cool fun time and then we all go out in a couple of weeks to complain about how third parties caused their favorite candidate to lose.

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        the people who are directly affected by the laws and policies of the Democrats/Republicans in their daily lives are not having a cool fun time with the bread and circuses

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    A majority of Americans didn’t watch the first one so I’m not sure we can take this literally.

    Sort of seems like “do you want a balanced budget” …yes of course. “Do you want to raise taxes or cut spending to achieve that?” …no I would never want either of those options.

    People like the idea of debates but they don’t impact the race unless someone truly bombs.