He was struck by…a smooth criminal.
Donny are you OK?
Are you OK Donnie?
Wanna be a baller, shot caller Twenty-inch blades on the Impala
Just the fact that Trump said he was hit by a bullet leads me to believe it’s not true.
Bake 'em away toys! Case closed!
What’d you say, chief?
Do what the kid says
I had people shit all over me for saying that his injuries were more consistent with the glass shards, saying I am a nutty as the conspiracy theorist people.
I was deployed, my buddies got shot and hit, that’s not what a bullet grazing wound looks like. Fracture mechanics is also a very messy simulation, and when you introduce that much kinetic energy into a rupture situation like glass the stuff flies everywhere.
And here we are.
FBI Director Christopher Wray revealed during a marathon testimony on Wednesday that investigators still do not know if former President Donald Trump was grazed by a bullet or a piece of shrapnel during his attempted assassination.
But making this distinction doesn’t guarantee clicks, so let’s keep the headline from being too clear about it.
It’s a distinction without a difference. “Trump wasn’t injured by a bullet, he was injured by shrapnel from the bullet” doesn’t let the FBI or the SS off the hook for missing this kid before he started shooting.
Yeah it’s a stupidly thin hair to split, to the point where it’s irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if the bullet hit him or the shrapnel caused by the bullet hit him. The fact is there was a guy with a rifle within pissing distance. The government really fucked up.
Not that I’m either surprised nor disappointed by that fact. I personally suspect that the secret service treats the Trump detail as the dump assignment for all of the shittiest, bottom 1% of their security personnel.
Idk a lot of law enforcement is pro trump, they might have wanted the detail.
Yeah, and the ones that did are probably the bottom of the barrel.
I think the FBI is saying they know where each round ends up and it’s not in a trajectory that could have injured Trump. But they can’t just say that to the Republican Congressman asking the question.
A Secret service agent there said it was a piece of glass that sliced his ear which made a lot more sense with how it looks, and is in line with Trump’s retelling of the story at the RNC, (he heard a buzz go by) but it doesn’t really change anything from either side. Trump would have said Jesus personally blocked the bullet no matter what and getting hit by glass rather than a bullet doesn’t make it much less traumatic of an event to imagine for those of us with empathy.
Glass from what?
Teleprompter
This has been debunked by snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/glass-from-teleprompter/
Ah good to see someone looked into it. It just struck me as odd to describe the bullet as a buzz. That’s only true for a supersonic rifle round in my experience if it’s unstable or tumbling, so if it was a ricochet or fragment from whatever else it hit. His descriptions of things aren’t exactly reliable anyways though.
I thought people had concluded that it was a glass shard from the teleprompter that the bullet hit. Is that debunked?
Afaik, it has neither been debunked nor confirmed.
Best photo of the ear we have right now, far as I can find:
Expand for bloody ear photo
Bloody ear photo with lines drawn on it
Photo of the same ear taken sometime on or before Jan 8 2019.
Armchair analysis: Maybe it sorta looks like some of the helix (both tubercle and crus sides) flesh is missing from a graze?
I don’t know what I believe, but it doesn’t matter. I just want the facts.
It could have been a bee sting.
Amber Heard intensifies
Whether it was a bullet or shrapnel that hit his ear is 100% irrelevant. He was the target of an assasination attempt. A piece of shrapnel could easily have taken him out just as much as the bullet itself. Whether he lived or died was far more determined by the position his head happened to be at that moment vs. whatever object actually struck him.
Trump responded with a post on Truth Social while the hearing was still taking place, calling for Wray to resign—but not for anything he said about the assassination attempt. Instead, Trump lambasted the FBI director for claiming that he found his interactions with President Biden “uneventful and unremarkable.”
He’s such a batshit narcissist. And rapist. And a fraud. And a crook, a pathological liar, vain to the point of gruesome, and many other qualities that explain how he’s running the entire republiQan party.
The distinction here is hardly relevant.
The only interesting thing about it might be that it once again points out the hypocrisy of the right.
They mocked John Kerry as undeserving of his purple hearts, and wore fake bandaids because he was hit with shrapnel.
… it once again points out the hypocrisy of the right.
We could climb that pile into orbit.
It is relevant to history. You can either tell the Trump story that a bullet hit his ear, or you can say that he caught shrapnel.
The only way that would be relevant would be if there was a determination that the shooter was trying to do some kind of ad hoc false flag thing, as opposed to writing his own name into history. Everything we know at this point indicates that the latter is true, and the former is not.
Whether Trump’s injury was the result of a fired projectile or a piece of shrapnel, the injury was caused by an assassination attempt.
Whether Trump’s injury was the result of a fired projectile or a piece of shrapnel, the injury was caused by an assassination attempt.
We all know what really happened.
A trick he learned back in his WWE guest star days.
(This is meant as a joke, please do not be upset. I mean no disrespect to WWE fans.)
Reddit 2.0… make fun of Biden… BANNED for LIFE! Make fun of Trump… LOL, He’s SO STUPID!!!
I like presidential candidates that don’t have 34 felony convictions. I also prefer them to not be convicted rapists. And if they could not sell our nuclear secrets to Russia and China, that’d be swell too.
F U C K D O N A L D T R U M P
If you REALLY think Trump is a felony and rapist…I have news for you about American politics…
Yes I would like to see your list of presidents and presidential candidates with felony convictions. Thanks!
Reddit 2.0… make fun of Biden… BANNED for LIFE!
By the way, did you know the modlog is public at Lemmy? So when you say things like I was just expressing my opinion and they banned me for being conservative, people can look that up.
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2167993
What does that mean? I’m talking about how easily people can express their hatred towards Republicans/Trump on sites like Lemmy and Reddit… but, they are NOT allowed to express those same feelings towards Biden and Democrats…
You seem to be doing OK.
Actually Biden is okay to make fun of, it’s Harris who you get banned for life now.
Try to keep up.
Says an account that does nothing but post crap about both.
You guys remind me of my oldest brother who continually claims that my house growing up had a rule that “once you’re 18 you’re out” but moved out of my parents’ house at 23 years old.
I am your brother and I’m about to move back in.
Take my upvote…
Oh look, another conservative to never shut up on social media about how they can’t say anything on social media, while somehow managing to be the biggest asshole in the room everywhere they go.
You weren’t missed by anyone before showing up here, just FYI.
God forbid Lemmy have more than one opinion right?
My opinion is that I don’t need your opinion.
You know, it’s funny because the moment I saw the picture where you could see a little blood, I thought to myself “did anyone make sure he didn’t have a ketchup packet in his pockets?”
And sure enough, I’m never original…
Not a ketchup packet, a razorblade
except if the shooter was just shooting into the crowd and hit like a railing or something then it wasn’t an “assassination attempt” it was a mass shooting.
Frankly, it could be a mass-shooting anyway, simply one that had a high-profile figure as one of the targets. Apparently he had explosives in his car and some sort of remote detonation mechanism, so it was clearly about more than just Trump alone.
so it was clearly about more than just Trump alone.
Not necessarily. To my knowledge, we don’t know where any explosives would have been planted. He was seen wandering around the rally area a few hours before the rally. It’s possible at one point he thought he could plant some explosives near Trump’s podium or something so he gets taken out in the blast, and maybe abandoned that plan when he walked around and realized it wasn’t viable.
IMO, there’s nothing indicating he had any intents other than taking out Trump by any means available to him. Anyone else was probably either collateral damage in his mind, or “deserved it” for being Trump supporters in the first place. He may have decided that trying to snipe him from that rooftop was his most viable option, but it looks like he woke up that morning with at least two separate plans on how to go about it.
It’s also relevant because one of Trump’s current campaign statements is that he “took a bullet for America” which may be another lie.
It would certainly neuter that (over)statement, but I honestly wouldn’t go as far as to call that one a “lie” without some indication that he knew that it wasn’t a bullet he was hit by. I don’t think that even a reasonable person wouldn’t come to the conclusion that “Shots were fired, at me, now my ear is bleeding all over my face” as “I was hit by a bullet.”
I disagree.
The sheer number of lies he tells, what difference is one more? Especially an inconsequential one?
We’re all fairly sure it wasn’t the bullet, but glass, or shrapnel or whatever, but that buries the lede.
The point here is whether it was an assassination attempt or a false flag attempt (personally I think assassination) and that trumps own hateful rhetoric has created such a ridiculous scenario where this shit happens.
Because it’s always important to point out the hypocrisy of his fake patriotic bullshit. Every lie should be pointed out, to everyone who will listen.
But then you lose the bigger point that his rhetoric and horse shit has lead us here.
You’re too zoomed in.
Not really. I’ll give you a “for instance”. Few people know this story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Arutyunian.
In this case, although in danger, Trump was being shot at by someone who couldn’t shoot.
The grenade failed to detonate. Although original reports indicated that the grenade was not live, it was later revealed that it was. After Arutyunian pulled the pin and threw the grenade, it hit a girl, cushioning its impact. The red handkerchief remained wrapped around the grenade, and it prevented the striker lever from releasing.
No mention of it being “a training grenade [which] could not fire.” Source?
original reports indicated that the grenade was not live
??
In case you missed the rest of that very sentence:
… it was later revealed that it was [live].
ad hoc false flag
Dont be in such a rush to rule this out lol. Ad hoc false flag should be Trump’s middle names
He’s always been a real ad war hoc
If it was shrapnel then it dispels the idea that if he’d turned his head just a few inches it would’ve been death.
If my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a bicycle, too.
That fuckin chef on that good morning TV show. That clip is so funny
I mean, sure? But we are getting pretty far into “what if” territory that can never be known and doesn’t really matter. If he was hit by a bullet, or shrapnel from a bullet doesn’t change the fact he was injured by a shooter.
And it makes the whole divine intervention thing seem less likely, but they are already reaching so hard anyways I’m sure they will just reach a bit further… it’s a cult after all.
Lol yeah THAT’S what makes ‘divine intervention less likely’
It’s relevant to the folks who believe in divine intervention, isn’t it?
The folks who believe in divine intervention don’t care about what actually happens in reality in any case, so no, it’s not relevant to them, either.
I would think that the difference between it being a bullet vs a piece of glass would be the difference between divine intervention or not to many of them.
If logic worked on religious people, then there wouldn’t be religious people. They will just say the bullet WOULD’VE killed him, but god stopped it and only hurt him with glass. God can’t be proven or disproven, so those that want to see divine intervention always will.
Some of the footage shown on TV had something whizzing by in a still picture of the scene. This could be anything of course bullet or shrapnel or the thing I saw was simply fake.
Whom vs who of ballistics dissembling. If it was a chunk of teleprompter that nicked him the bullet must have been only slightly off.
I bet any amount of money that he cut himself while he was down on the ground
He has blood on him before he even ducks down you dense wet cabbage.
FBI Director Christopher Wray revealed during a marathon testimony on Wednesday that investigators still do not know if former President Donald Trump was grazed by a bullet or a piece of shrapnel during his attempted assassination.
There’s no way a bullet “grazes” an ear and it’s not obvious… He’d be legitimately missing cartilage, he was seen golfing days later without even a bandaid on it
I don’t think at any point any source has said he was shot.
Just that he was shot at, and came up with a bleeding ear.
Not saying he cut it himself, just that it probably got scratched at some point.
Due to Trump’s age and, well, just everything about him, he’s most likely on blood thinners. Which would make even a tiny scratch bleed like a motherfucker. It makes you bleed fast and takes forever to clot. A normal nick that barely bleeds normally would look like a murder scene
Add in the adrenaline and it’s really going to pump out.
The most logical explanation is (and always has been) a SS agent accidentally scratched his ear while he kept trying to stand up.
Beyond physical injury, Trump’s description of the event – along with Wray saying the FBI is unsure – really makes me lean toward it not being a direct wound.
Trump said he heard bullets “whizzing” by. A supersonic bullet directly next to your ear isn’t going to make a whizzing sound like on TV; there’s going to be a loud, distinct crack from the sonic boom as it passes by.
I fully believe Trump would be leaning into that hard if that’s what he’d heard. “It was like thunder next to my head. The loudest thunder. The greatest thunder you’ve ever heard. HUEG thunder.” It’s exactly the kind of thing he loves to play up.
I mean, the biggest reason is if he had an actual wound he’d be shoving it into every camera within a golf cart ride of him.
It would be all over the place. The only reason trump would cover it up, is if there was nothing there.
Maybe they knew about the kid. Then they swapped the munitions with fake ones. Next they told felon Trump to duck if he heard a noise, and to slam a ketchup packet on top his ear?
It’s plausible.
And the guy who died, his chest just spontaneously developed a hole containing lead and copper?
Okay we need another theory.
