I havenāt watched John Oliverās video on the subject yet but if I recall correctly, trans athletes donāt even tend to place first in their own divisions. So the whole idea of them being āroided up naturallyā is just plain silly. Itās all just a right wing fantasy built to divide the left and supercharge conservatives on election days.
Yeah, its called āhiding your power levelā and obviously a conspiracy to keep our precious sweet girls out of sports and stop creepy dudes from raping them! Its all a pedophile conspiracy!
Im not projecting! No projection! No projection! Youāre projection!
So anyway Iām the new genital inspector for this school district, to keep your kids safe from playing with any trans people. No I canāt always be sure with just a visual check, āunfortunatelyā. Yes we have to check before and after every game, in case of gay changelings.
Donāt worry, you can trust me; im church certified.
Ayup. Pretty famously thereās a swimmer that became a conservative activist named Riley Gaines. She was radicalised because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman named Lia Thomas in the NCAA. I think she was mainly just salty because she had to hold the sixth place trophy while Lia held the fifth place one during the photoshoot afterwards. Lia did go on to come first in a different event at the same meet (Edit: that Riley didnāt even compete in), but that just goes to show that she had a favoured event that she was best at, like almost all swimmers.
For what itās worth, Riley said that the reason she was radicalised was, and I quote from wikipedia:
In 2023, Gaines said that Thomas shared locker room space with her while still intact with āmale genitaliaā.
Which is just inane. Itās not like someone with a vagina canāt sexually assault someone else with a vagina, having a penis doesnāt make that easier.
Yeah, itās pretty fucked up rhetoric that feels like itās making people less safe in two ways: it builds the impression that people with vaginas donāt assault people, and it treats penises (and the people who have them) as inherently dangerous. Bioessentialism is gross on so many levels
Not to mention if these fuckers werenāt making it so goddamn difficult to get GA surgery, then maybe she wouldnāt have had to have been hanging dong in the locker room. I am quite confident thatās not something she does because she wants to.
Yeah the motive is revealed in the methods. Conservatives never propose legislation that specifically addresses any advantage trans women have, instead opting for blanket bans. The science shows that trans women have very little if any advantage in sports, and in my sports weāre actually at a competitive disadvantage. Hell, even the chuddiest of chuds could realize that trans women certainly canāt have an advantage in all sports. Do trans women have an advantage in womenās gymnastics? Have you seen the type of bodies that excel in that sport?
I would be open to conversations of sports fairness if they came from a place of honest good faith, but they donāt. The default stance should be equality first, with restrictions only introduced when absolutely necessary. Is it possible thereās some sport that trans women have some massive advantage in? Well trans women should quickly dominate that sportās upper echelons. If you find such a sport, then maybe we can have the conversation about fairness. But even then, it should be limited to just what is absolutely necessary to ensure fairness, nothing more. For example, maybe some handicap system would be appropriate for an individual sport. But even then, such intervention should only be done if there is some enormous unfair advantage that trans women are systematically demonstrating.
Instead, we just get bigots that talk about a trans girl āstealingā their spot in a sports competition, as if she doesnāt have the exact same right to compete as any other girl. Itās fundamentally about devaluing the humanity of trans people all together. Trans identities arenāt to be respected, theyāre to be tolerated and humored at best, persecuted at worst. Itās no different than the same instincts that kept sports racially segregated for generations.
Considering roller derby has been fully inclusive for years and hasnāt seen any sort of advantage play out, I find it unlikely itāll show up anywhere
Do trans athletes even exist in a statistically significant number to even warrant the conversation in the first place? I think Iāve only ever even heard of a trans athlete in SNL skits and shit like that. Granted, I donāt pay attention to sports in general.
Hit the nail on the head right there. Tempest in a teacup. Thatās their bread and butter. Hyper focus on somethingā¦ then, piss and moan about it non stop. I honestly donāt understand how anyone listens to these professional whiners. What a waste of oxygen.
Itās for this very reason that Iāve always thought it would be easier to just give sports to the conservatives and then try to take that ground back at some point where trans people are more accepted. Donāt let a perfect outcome get in the way of good and all that. But Iām neither trans nor interested in sports, so I realize my opinion here holds little weight and I havenāt thought very deeply about it.
They chose this topic because it is divisive. If we drop out of sports they will simply find another arena of life to eject us from. Itās not about sports for right wing politicians and interest groups, but about getting conservatives engaged in bigotry against us so they become angry and polarized and vote for bigoted parties.
We can never make them happy with our behavior because our behavior doesnāt matter. The narrative they weave around us matters to them, not reality.
And they are under represented. I donāt recall the numbers but the percentage of trans people in the overall population is much higher than among athletes
No, I mean that among trans people, there are proportionally less athletes than among cis people. The few that do go into sports are over represented in (right wing) media if thatās what you mean
Yeah I thought you meant in media. Cause yeah, in media and right-wing circles they massively over represent the number of trans athletes in the sports.
I havenāt watched John Oliverās video on the subject yet but if I recall correctly, trans athletes donāt even tend to place first in their own divisions. So the whole idea of them being āroided up naturallyā is just plain silly. Itās all just a right wing fantasy built to divide the left and supercharge conservatives on election days.
Theyāve been allowed to participate in the Olympics for over 20 years, and no Trans athlete has ever won a medal.
Yeah, its called āhiding your power levelā and obviously a conspiracy to keep our precious sweet girls out of sports and stop creepy dudes from raping them! Its all a pedophile conspiracy!
Im not projecting! No projection! No projection! Youāre projection!
So anyway Iām the new genital inspector for this school district, to keep your kids safe from playing with any trans people. No I canāt always be sure with just a visual check, āunfortunatelyā. Yes we have to check before and after every game, in case of gay changelings.
Donāt worry, you can trust me; im church certified.
Ayup. Pretty famously thereās a swimmer that became a conservative activist named Riley Gaines. She was radicalised because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman named Lia Thomas in the NCAA. I think she was mainly just salty because she had to hold the sixth place trophy while Lia held the fifth place one during the photoshoot afterwards. Lia did go on to come first in a different event at the same meet (Edit: that Riley didnāt even compete in), but that just goes to show that she had a favoured event that she was best at, like almost all swimmers.
For what itās worth, Riley said that the reason she was radicalised was, and I quote from wikipedia:
Which is just inane. Itās not like someone with a vagina canāt sexually assault someone else with a vagina, having a penis doesnāt make that easier.
Yeah, itās pretty fucked up rhetoric that feels like itās making people less safe in two ways: it builds the impression that people with vaginas donāt assault people, and it treats penises (and the people who have them) as inherently dangerous. Bioessentialism is gross on so many levels
Not to mention if these fuckers werenāt making it so goddamn difficult to get GA surgery, then maybe she wouldnāt have had to have been hanging dong in the locker room. I am quite confident thatās not something she does because she wants to.
Eh, some of us do choose not to get surgeries. Dilation is hard work!
Yeah the motive is revealed in the methods. Conservatives never propose legislation that specifically addresses any advantage trans women have, instead opting for blanket bans. The science shows that trans women have very little if any advantage in sports, and in my sports weāre actually at a competitive disadvantage. Hell, even the chuddiest of chuds could realize that trans women certainly canāt have an advantage in all sports. Do trans women have an advantage in womenās gymnastics? Have you seen the type of bodies that excel in that sport?
I would be open to conversations of sports fairness if they came from a place of honest good faith, but they donāt. The default stance should be equality first, with restrictions only introduced when absolutely necessary. Is it possible thereās some sport that trans women have some massive advantage in? Well trans women should quickly dominate that sportās upper echelons. If you find such a sport, then maybe we can have the conversation about fairness. But even then, it should be limited to just what is absolutely necessary to ensure fairness, nothing more. For example, maybe some handicap system would be appropriate for an individual sport. But even then, such intervention should only be done if there is some enormous unfair advantage that trans women are systematically demonstrating.
Instead, we just get bigots that talk about a trans girl āstealingā their spot in a sports competition, as if she doesnāt have the exact same right to compete as any other girl. Itās fundamentally about devaluing the humanity of trans people all together. Trans identities arenāt to be respected, theyāre to be tolerated and humored at best, persecuted at worst. Itās no different than the same instincts that kept sports racially segregated for generations.
Considering roller derby has been fully inclusive for years and hasnāt seen any sort of advantage play out, I find it unlikely itāll show up anywhere
Do trans athletes even exist in a statistically significant number to even warrant the conversation in the first place? I think Iāve only ever even heard of a trans athlete in SNL skits and shit like that. Granted, I donāt pay attention to sports in general.
Hit the nail on the head right there. Tempest in a teacup. Thatās their bread and butter. Hyper focus on somethingā¦ then, piss and moan about it non stop. I honestly donāt understand how anyone listens to these professional whiners. What a waste of oxygen.
Itās for this very reason that Iāve always thought it would be easier to just give sports to the conservatives and then try to take that ground back at some point where trans people are more accepted. Donāt let a perfect outcome get in the way of good and all that. But Iām neither trans nor interested in sports, so I realize my opinion here holds little weight and I havenāt thought very deeply about it.
They chose this topic because it is divisive. If we drop out of sports they will simply find another arena of life to eject us from. Itās not about sports for right wing politicians and interest groups, but about getting conservatives engaged in bigotry against us so they become angry and polarized and vote for bigoted parties.
We can never make them happy with our behavior because our behavior doesnāt matter. The narrative they weave around us matters to them, not reality.
I meant more like conservatives should shut up about it because itās a non issue, not that we should give up anything to them.
And they are under represented. I donāt recall the numbers but the percentage of trans people in the overall population is much higher than among athletes
I think you mean over represented.
No, I mean that among trans people, there are proportionally less athletes than among cis people. The few that do go into sports are over represented in (right wing) media if thatās what you mean
Yeah I thought you meant in media. Cause yeah, in media and right-wing circles they massively over represent the number of trans athletes in the sports.