I described authoritarians. Socialists, communists, and anarchists are not tankies unless they defend authoritarian regimes.

You and objections have done plenty of vibes based accusations yourself. I’m apparently both a capitalist, an authoritarian, against revolutions, not “woke”, etc etc. You’re both equally arguing in bad faith. Didn’t even mention the warning in your post. You came into our community and defended your auth ideology, got warned, then continued and got banned. Can’t complain when it’s in the rules and you got warned.

You are right that there is no point in continuing this.

Where have I stated that I’m against revolutions? I’m against dictatorship and oligarchy.

Anyways, you’ve made it clear your not an anarchist despite all your claims. You can’t seriously see nothing objectionable with the stuff OBJECTIONS is saying

Tankies have no class consciousness. If you wanna work with these people then great for you. I’ve seen a lot of evil opinions from .ml users (the ones that are tankies, not all of them obv.) and I really doubt you somehow have not. We don’t have to tolerate them on 196 however.

It’s not about purity. Go look at what OBJECTIONS is saying in the other post. They’re not a leftist, and they admit their propensity for dictatorship quite eagerly over and over. They’re not alone in their opinions on .ml.

Nothing abstract about not tolerating auths.

Edit: It’s like that saying about eating dinner with nazis. If you are so adamantly protecting tankies then why should I believe you aren’t one.

My issue was not primarily the anti war stance, but that in combination with staunchly defending tankies. Tankies are intolerant by their very nature (as in their ideology is intolerant), and so Diva was banned for defending the intolerant and for likely being a tankie herself.

Looking over her comments here I am less sure that she is a tankie, but she for sure thinks being one is okay and is really into defending them. Again, the point of the anti-tankie rules is to not give tankies a platform.

What a truly dumb argument.

Anyways, like many I consider it solved with the contract of tolerance. You aren’t covered by the contract anymore if you go not tolerating people. Any benefits extended to you by the contract only apply as long as you agree to be tolerant.

We also ban for transphobia or for being a fascist. Is that banning all dissent as well?

Our rules specifically call out supporting or denying any genocide, etc etc. We aren’t without nuance. We disallow someone denying the atrocities the CCP commits. This applies to the US as well. We would ban anyone for denying the genocide in Palestine, or for denying that the US dropped bombs on protesting workers etc. The point is that we are banning people for tankie rhetoric, not for having positive opinions on non-western countries.

I don’t know why I bother with someone so married to death and oppression.

Do you believe I support capitalism?

Edit: I don’t.

I’m well aware of what industrialization can achieve

Yeah I don’t quite get this at all. There are some pretty openly vile tankies on the tankie instances. There’s one in the other post right now lambasting libertarian socialism and proudly supporting dictatorship. I don’t understand why anyone would defend these people.

You sure put in a lot of effort to call yourself a humble authoritarian. I don’t believe there is some magic switch that can be pulled to achieve socialism over night, but a nation that commits all the same wrongs as a capitalist nation doesn’t seem like an upgrade of any kind. I’m not going to believe someone suppressing my rights is going to be able to deliver on any promise to implement socialism. I should note I’m mostly talking about states like the USSR and the CCP, and other so called communist states.

Anyways, you can’t do anything without unions. Communism won’t happen under dictatorship, nor through some “democracy” swamped by capitalism or whatever other horror people can conjure. Change can only be achieved by all of us working together, not under some tyrannical oligarchy or leader.

Why do you cling to the words of old dead men

Don’t kid yourself that it’s ‘anti-authoritarian’ to be drafting people to your cause though.

Rest assured that I do not

Prescribed HRT is generally difficult to get in china per what I’ve read in my time in the DIY community, but if this is wrong then good. How available HRT is varies by country in the west and the rest of the world. Germany, austria and one other country (which I can’t remember) recently made it clear that they will embrace HRT for youth and criticized the cass report. Norway, where I live, isn’t great at prescribing HRT but they are currently expanding the infrastructure needed to diagnose and prescribe HRT. Things have improved a lot compared to how things were years ago. There are clearly issues still of course. It’s not a problem free system. Fuck riksen (a transmed hospital).

I don’t run around thinking that everything going on in china is bad. I know some of the stuff we hear is overblown, but I know they are also doing some vile shit much like many western countries.

Also, unions are severely suppressed in china. Do you want to address that? They are a state capitalist nation. My issue is with blindly celebrating everything going on there, not with anything they are doing right like embracing green energy.

There’s also the current genocide they are committing, but I suppose you don’t believe that is actually happening, or that what the US and isreal are doing somehow makes what china is doing okay.

I truly do hope you are an anarchist. However most anarchists tend to be in favor of shooting the people trying to kill you and annex you into their dictatorship. Perhaps there is something about your stance I don’t understand.

In either case, I stand by that Clocks was making light of the oppression of dictatorships, and that suggesting that tankies and leftists only minorly disagree is tankie apologia. Defending that and then telling someone that the tankie problem on the tankie instances is overblown does make you look like a tankie to me. Also remember that you were banned for your last comments after you were warned, not for your first comment making fun of the term tankie triad.

If this is wrong I apologize, but I don’t really see any other way to read you based on your behavior so far.

Edit: I do sympathize with your anti profiteering stance and that you want to reduce the death count, but I can’t really see russia not killing people after annexing ukraine.

I support direct action, unionization, and revolution, I just don’t also support states that suppress unions, like you do. Improving society somewhat doesn’t look like implementing a military dictatorship.

You can’t support hierarchical dictatorships that take away the rights of workers and call yourself a communist, leftist, etc. etc. You are an authoritarian even now with no power.

I felt their comment is obviously not true? Have you seen objections modlog ? Anyways, I am trans, a socialist, I am in favor of everyone having access to HRT. I don’t like NCD or nato. I am not afraid of the woke, I am the woke.

yikes

I think I’ve made it clear that I read you as a tankie?

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?userId=9224558

We banned this user a long time ago for being a very obvious tankie