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    Oh? Pulling a “Republican”? My wife made me do it? Wasn’t my fault? Attempting to distance herself so she can make a run for office again.

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      Yeah, seriously. She’s an adult. She could have just said “Thanks Joe, now go away.” What could he have done? Fired her?

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    If anyone wants some good rage material, watch the Pod Save America interview with Harris staffers

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    She was elected, not appointed. She could say and do what she wanted and theres not much Biden could have done about it.

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    She is her own person and has to live with the consequences of her choices like everybody else. It’s all in the past now and just a footnote in history.

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    I am wondering if the mods of [email protected] and [email protected] regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things and it would cost us the election. Like there’s mods in here who go “yeah that sucks, I knew it.” but also just defended Biden/Harris and removed good faith users who posted citations that even their beloved Media Bias Bot said was a good source.

    They did it, banned the people who said it, and then people went “where are all those critics now? i guess putin turned them off! hurr hurr haw haw!”

    Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.

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      Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.

      No, they dig their head in the sand and continue to play stupid. If they ever actually acknowledged reality they’d feel bad, so that’s not gonna happen

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    Honestly this behavior is going to keep getting highlighted from Biden because he was an absolute stubborn idiot. He had polling showing him losing to Trump with over 400 electoral votes for MONTHS before dropping out. He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did, obviously it was him or what was left of him.

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      History will not look kindly on Biden for fucking over his one job of stopping Trump. Didn’t arrest him, didn’t defeat him, didn’t stop most of the Jan 6 protestors, didn’t go after the enablers of his actions, didn’t really stop anything Trump did to avoid debt and jail and we ended up with him for Round 2, Even Worse This Time.

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        100% agreement. He should have arrested Agent Krasnov and his henchmen on the first day of his presidency, and detained them in isolation without bail or access to the media, until their trials were resolved. If he had done that, Krasnov and his Gang would be in prison right now, instead of the White House.

        Instead Biden appointed a weakass Republican as his AG who gave him a 2 year head start to run out the clock.

        The Dems had the perfect chance to defend our country from the MAGA scourge, but they totally abdicated their responsibility. It will be 100 times harder to take it back now, and I don’t see it happening without violence.

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        Look at democrats now. Still doing absolutely nothing. Even if they won they still wouldn’t have stopped Trump or Musk. They’d probably just stand aside if there was another Jan 6.

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    Sounds like an excuse. She could’ve had a different stance but didn’t. Because she’s the same thing. She was asked point blank how she’s any different than Biden and she couldn’t answer.

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      I feel like blaming her loss on others takes away her agency. Seems sexist to me. We dont reassign blame like this with male failed candidates, but with Hillary and Harris everyone wants to paint them as purely victims.

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        I blame her loss on her being a bad candidate who wouldn’t push popular positions. Harris was a week candidate from the start. She dropped out of the primary in 2020 with only 3% support and then got the VP nom.

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        They were both extremely bad candidates who should not have been in a position to run. If the party had been allowed to speak they would not have been allowed to run.

        They weren’t really candidates that failed on their own merits, they were set up to fail by being put into a position they should never have been in.

        Neither Hillary nor Kamala could have won a primary that wasn’t rigged in their favor. Since they didn’t get to their position as candidate based on their own merits, it’s reasonable to describe their failure in similar terms.

        That said, there is such a thing as more than 100% blame, and this is a situation where A lot of people have a lot of blame. Those two women are 100% responsible for the stupid decisions they made. No one can take that failure away from them, but because of the nature of the mistake, there were a lot more people who should also be blamed and similarly excommunicated from politics.

        There are elements of sexism here, but that’s just endemic to politics. They didn’t fail because of sexism, they got to where they were because of it and were set up to fail by it, but there are a lot of problems here beyond and before sexism.

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    It’s ridiculous to think that Harris couldn’t have done what she wanted. Once you’re named the nominee, that’s it. They’re not going to back out.

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      If she was unwilling to break from him because of his wishes, even if she was theoretically able, that speaks volumes about her as a leader.

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          IF there is another election, HitlerPig will get 98% of the vote, and he’ll use his “popularity” with the American voters to justify defying the Constitutional prohibition against a 3rd term.

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            Elections are run at the state level, so they won’t be that interfered with.

            Not that it will matter; rigging the states with Republican state governments is more than enough

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              There are plenty of treasonous Republicans at the state level, managing elections. They were very active over the last four years getting MAGATraitors into influential election positions. Rolling Stone had a landmark article last year identifying hundreds of MAGATraitors in important election positions around the country.

              Besides, between Muskrat, Russia, and China, and probably more, they have the best hackers on the planet to manipulate the process.

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              He will do anything to preserve his slim Congressional majorities. They give him credibility, even though he is legislating through Executive Orders anyway.

              I expect that he will find an excuse to impose Martial Law and suspend elections until peace is restored.

              OTOH, if he allows elections to happen, it’s because he is confident that their cheating strategies will win, and we’ll even see strong blue districts flip.

              They will use polls reflecting current voter anger at weakling Democrats to justify the obviously fraudulent results.

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      The problem was her campaign was largely run by Biden’s people. He clearly was interfering with her campaign and she kept trying to make the most of it.

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      I mean, that was the line from centrists anytime someone wanted any hope from harris that she might be less of a lapdog for netanyahu than biden was.

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      I want to tell myself that there’s no way in hell they would let this happen, let alone make it happen.

      Then I remember it’s the DNC.

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          I’d bet they’ll try to run Blinken or Shapiro. Harris cant bring in campaign donations, and donations are all the DNC cares about.

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            I feel like they have really poor name recognition. And while Shapiro looks great and presidential, Blinkin has a real “off” kind of look to him.

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              They’re also both in a murder and land left theft cult, and you can be sure that they will use any influence they get to further entangle the US in that, at astronomical cost to the US.

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          Buttigeig is likely going to run given that he is giving up his chance at a Senate seat.

          I feel like Walz is going to run as well. He’s been showing up in national media a lot and seems to be becoming the face of the opposition.

          Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.

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            Yeah, Walz refuses to announce (like they always do) but you don’t make the amount of noise he is without gearing up for something. I don’t think there’s any way he doesn’t run, and currently he might even be my favorite of those that I’m confident will run. We’ve got a while before the next presidential election though, so anything could happen and I can’t really be bothered thinking about.

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            Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.

            Yeah, he’s trying to become the preordained nominee by making choices party leadership likes.

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              This guy gets it. Speaking as a Californian, this is exactly, precisely what’s happening. I don’t use this term a lot because it resurfaces trauma of not realizing I was posting in a thread on Hexbear, but Newsom is straight up the textbook definition of a shitlib. He’s always kinda been a shitlib, with a ratio of one kinda okay decision to like four disappointing, mediocre, and shitty decisions that make the wealthy and corporate donors happy. Now that he sees a path to the presidency laid bare, he’s fully embracing his shitlib instincts. Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.

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                Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.

                As though primary votes matter. The party successfully argued in court that they don’t.

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      She’s free to run again, but this time she has to win the primary. And that’s unlikely. It’s rare in modern times for someone to lose a Presidential election and get another shot at it, Nixon and Trump are the only two in over a hundred years.

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    The way democrats talk: “We’re turning the page and letting the daylight in!”

    The way democrats act with a majority: “We couldn’t get any daylight this time, but we did pass these bipartisan flashlights which are known to explode occasionally due to republicans demanding amendments be added to the batteries.”

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      “We’ve also means tested the flashlights, so those who recall the time before the great darkness get less of the flashlights, and anyone who has flashlights that explode will be required to have a daily check of their pupils to ensure they’ve been good at not looking at the daylight.”

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    To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn’t have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it’s a tripping hazard.

    She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.

    But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.

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      Honestly, her campaign already signaled that. This, if true, just reinforces it. It also reinforces that Biden was a bad leader, which he was.

      Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.

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        Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.

        Man I am getting sick of needing to say this ahead of time/to anyone who goes “well if you criticized our candidates of their serious and actual issues, you must be a Republican!”

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          I’m still content that I left my vote for president blank. No to all genociders regardless of party-- no exceptions. Maybe the DNC will learn not to ever try that nonsense in an election again if they know they can’t possibly win doing it. Or maybe this country will tear itself apart, but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents, then this system of government will have to end and restart in some different form.

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          Definitely. And as soon as you say something leftist you’re accused of not voting or “throwing away your vote” so you can’t complain. Like, I get it. “Have the day you voted for” etc, but libs are pointing fingers at the wrong people. I’ve said it like a million times before, but sooo many of my leftist friends reluctantly voted Kamala when they were vehemently opposed to her stance on Palestine and now feel like they sold out for nothing. Like, at least if they hadn’t voted they could say they stood for something. Now they don’t even have a high horse to ride into the apocalypse on. The way libs will break your spirit is wild. They have more energy to fight leftists than republicans.

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        Blaming Biden makes sense. Blame the problems on the actual person in charge. Harris wasn’t in charge, she should’ve let Biden take all of the failures of the term, regardless of her position at the time

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        I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.

        If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.

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      As far as I’m aware, Biden controlled most of the campaign money at least initially. either way it’s still a pretty weak excuse for Harris.

      Biden really fucked us in so many ways though, I’m happy to blame him for losing the election as well. I mean he was the one who thought gaslighting us about the economy was a winning move, he put Harris in a terrible position to begin with. Not to mention deciding to run again in the first place, appointing a Trump collaborator as AF, refusing to exercise his power, etc etc