US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
I refuse to believe that people would be stupid enough to expect somebody who banned people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen from even entering the USA in his first term to be pro-Gaza…
Nah, I actually think minorities voted more for Trump because the right have more socially conservative policies.
Love the blaming of Muslims instead of the mass uninformed…
Leopards ate my face, example #5937719
All this reporting reminds me of the “But actually this Man on The Street Hated Brexit even though he voted for it” slew of stories.
It’s all just nutpicking. You’ll find far more Muslim Trump voters who don’t know who any of these people are. And you’ll find plenty who are clapping like seals, because they’re just as Murdoch Pilled and MAGA headed as their white peers.
It’s almost like people were told a million times that Trump didn’t acknowledge Palestine existed and that Kamela wanted a ceasefire
Kamela wanted a ceasefire
So did biden, reportedly.
Oh lord +25 -2
Blatant lies sure are popular here.
Even your description of their promises are false.Trump was the one who invited Palestinians on stage when Harris shunned them.
Lol, no he didn’t, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.
Troll harder
PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand…
Kamela never shunned Palestinians either
Sorry i did not realize this was a sarcastic troll chain.
Stop. Just stop.
It’s a post-truth world. Just…give up. We’re all yelling into the void. These people are being force-fed “facts” consisting of cherry picked data and sound bites from every angle imaginable. It’s their news. It’s their friends. It’s their family, and their neighbors. Their community leaders, and their social leaders, and their religious leaders. It’s in their face, constantly, everywhere they go.
You can’t compete with that. That’s brainwashing on a societal level.
You can’t both be right, and be victorious, in that environment. Simply because for the same amount of effort you put out expelling one falsehood, they can be exposed to a thousand more.
I give up. I have no more faith in humanity. People are proudly digging their heads into the sand to avoid hard truths and then act shocked when “I told you so”. Fuck them, and fuck me for having to go down with them. Fucking children. Fucking ostrich children fucks. Pitiful. Repugnant. Deplorable.
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people’s attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.
The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that.
Why bother to fact check any one thing when it means hunting for the single edible chocolate in a pile of rabbit shit?
You can’t even fucking Google an answer anymore, as the AI generated response is trained on all the bad data that’s bloated the system.
Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I would settle for it being a view that won’t get you expelled from a college campus, primaried out of an elected office, or purged from a high profile business position.
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
At this point if I were God I’d be starting the rapture right now, because clearly humanity is too dumb to live and too deranged to get it over with quick and painlessly. Every American who voted Kamela would be at the top of the “Abandon Earth, we’re all going to Heaven!” queue for the USA region, because obviously that was the last couple million people living in the Modern Day Burning Rome who gave a shit.
Behind door #1: Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country that involves your religion.
Behind door #2: Tried to enact laws that openly discriminate against your religion just a few years ago. And is also totally one-sided against you regarding that same war.It’s a tough choice.
Behind door #1: Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country that involves your religion.
They’re way more one-sided about the “war” (genocide) than I imagine the vast majority of Muslim and pro-Palestinian voters are, just in the wrong direction. What part of unconditionally supplying weapons to a country that is indiscriminately slaughtering civilians is “not one sided,” oh “rational_lib?”
Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country
Dems pandered to an Israeli government that was actively campaigning for their opposition. This wasn’t just “your anti-genocide views are simply too extreme for the average American voter”. It was “Netanyahu is funneling Russian money and propaganda into the Republican campaign apparatus while you keep telling him he’s a good boy on national TV.”
Talk about leopards eating your face.
They’re not the first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
They won’t be the last.
We’re gonna see a lot more “Experts baffled Trump did x thing” and the word “unprecedented” show up in headlines again for at least the next four years. Sleep in the bed you made, fuckwads.
Sleep in the bed you
made,shit in, fuckwads.
I never thought leopards would eat my face!
I heard if you coat your face in blood and lie down in long grass with your eyes closed, the leopards won’t ever find you!
shocking, really.
In other news, stupid people are baffled by their own stupidity.
…Don’t vote for Trump then???
If you’re at this point still upset or surprised about anything the orange moron does, you’re part of the problem.
They were upset by the democrats as well, which is probably why they turned to the only other party in the country. I know people are going to rush in and say “but the democrats would be better than trump!!” and that may be true to some extent, but the genocide started and progressed unabated under democrats. I guess Muslims can just get fucked, huh folks?
The genocide started in 2020? I kind of thought maybe there was some conflict in the region prior to that…but now I understand it was the Democrats that did everything and I will vote for Republicans, the party that specifically hates Muslims, instead.
More accurately the genocide started when israel was being established, but it greatly ramped up in 2023. I know you want to take the heat off of democrats, but they are just as complicit in this genocide. Yes, republicans are worse in general, but that does not absolve democrats of giving billions in support of genocide.
You don’t know what I want, and none of that is what I said, but keep pretending whatever approach you’re taking here is helpful, it seems to be helping you sleep at night. No one should be absolved of supporting Israel’s actions in Gaza. We were given 2 options, and I picked the one that I expect to result in less harm. The other option won and will now be in control of what happens to Gaza, and there’s no silver lining in that no matter how bad you want to find one.
The problem is that the conversation is being locked down to which of the two pro-israel parties to vote for. The conversation we should really be having is how to stop support for genocide outright. There are many here smirking at how people can vote for a candidate that would do things against their interests, but the reality is that both parties unconditionally support genocide. People are using the flimsy argument that democrats supposedly offer a kinder genocide, but the biden administration’s actions have not shown that to be the case.
You have a point in that support for israel has been a thing for a long time. If we see the complete annihilation of Gaza, it will not have been through the efforts of a single administration, but rather through a bipartisan tag team of ghouls.
I mean, these people (the leaders in the article) threw basically any minority group in the US and all of Ukraine under the bus to make their point. I’m not gonna say anything about all Muslims, but these leaders can definitely get fucked.
They weren’t thrown under the bus, they were already lined up in front of the bus by democrats who then pointed at the republican bus driver and screamed that they would be driven over if they didn’t vote democrat.
Have you ever heard of an analogy before? Because that’s like…the Stretch-Armstrong of analogies.
There is a reason why the go-to argument to vote for democrats is “because the republicans are worse”.
Don’t worry, they have plenty like the above commenter who are willing to give them plenty of asspats and play apologist about how they opted to kill more of the people they supposedly want to save AND massacre American minorities.
Apologist? You mean like how people like you rush to defend democrats supporting genocide with “other guy worse”? You’re just falling for the two-party tag team. Democrats and republicans play off each other to continually move the country to the right and they rely on people thinking they’re actually opposing parties. Congrats on falling for it, I guess.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t actually have to suffer the consequences of throwing the election to fascists. :)
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn’t be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
That’s even more fucked up that you cheer on the slaughter of your own relatives under the Trump regime backing Israel to the hilt.
As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don’t hurt less. What’s really fucked up is you thinking I’m doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they’ve been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don’t want genocide? No, I’m not asking for a supposedly “better” genocide, I mean NO genocide.
In Russian roulette, I might not die.
Or, my brains might explode out of my head to paint the wall in a vivid splatter.
Why the fuck would anyone play Russian roulette in the first place?
Suck it up buttercup
Local sheep upset that wolf he voted for has appointed butchers to several cabinet positions
Now that is just plain stupid. One can make a moral argument for not wanting to vote for genocide, since the situation is similar, but not the same(!), as the famous Trolley Problem. But actively voting for the other pro-genocide option because you believed him to be a peace candidate? … This is something that needs honest analysis and reflection. Both by these voters as well as by the Democratic Party. How the hell could Trump with his abysmal record be perceived as the peace candidate by so many? I do expect though, that all the involved parties will learn the wrong lessons from this.
With all the blame, shaming and hate towards Muslim, Arab, African and Latino Americans we should also not forget: The only ethnic demographic from which Trump got a majority is: White voters.
Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump. That’s patently false. Someone else said it best. Most of these people are in their own echo chambers and trying to get them to actually behave and vote in their own best interest is becoming nearly futile these days. It’s too easy for people to put themselves into those echo chambers.
Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump.
What we have here are voters who thought Trump would be better than Harris, not the same. I can understand, even if it’s technically wrong, when people feel that genocide is genocide. And they see what is happening there as an extension to them (which any psychotherapist who’s dealt with someone of an ethnic group which is in war can attest to).
Most of these people are in their own echo chambers
Although this is most probably a factor, I believe this to be too simple an explanation. So about the media landscape: Yes. Especially the so-called ‘new media’ is seldomly truly independent but often biased in that they peddle this false narrative that Trump is a peace candidate. Also notable is that ‘alternative media’ is largely seen as independent from billionaires and power, while legacy media is an arm of the establishment. So the narrative of ‘us vs. them’ works even better and since the biggest names lean more right or are outright Republican propaganda channels, this could translate into more people who already resent the status quo falling for them. And thanks to the engagement-optimizing algorithms they fall into these echo-chambers. Sidenote: I’m not de-legitimizing alternative outlets, but want to stress the importance of scrutinizing how they finance themselves. We just had a case of one right-wing propaganda channel being exposed as being financed by a Russian oligarch for years. (I forgot the name)
One could also point to the rhetoric and behavior of the two candidates towards the pro-Palestinian population in the last few weeks and months before the election. One side didn’t let Palestinian voices be heard and even actively and preemptively removed an elected Democrat from one of their own events, because he happened to be Palestinian American. Outside the DNC the protestors were met with disdain and ridicule by DNC delegates. And the other side came to
speaklie to them about what he’s gonna do and that he takes them seriously. People are gonna see this.Or generally when Harris said that she wanted the ‘most lethal military in the world’, while the other side talked about ending wars ‘within the first 24 hours’. Outrageous but a stark contrast.
Or the simple sentiment that with the Dems in power genocide is happening, so I’ll roll the dice. The same anti-establishment sentiment that led to Trump in 2016 in the first place (economic in nature in 2016).
Talking about anti-establishment sentiment: I know of only one exception to this. But after COVID, there’s only one incumbent party in the democratic world, that came out of elections still in power. And that’s Mexico. If you know any others, please feel free to enlighten me.
The list is not extensive by any means and is just me spit-balling. If we want to understand what happened the answers are going to be much more complex.
