• KevonLooney@lemm.ee
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      Yeah, he would. There are lots of people who would rather bend over for Russia than think for one second. Putin has zero love for America and actively attacks our infrastructure and companies by sponsoring hackers. If you support Russia you are a traitor or an idiot.

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      I personally dont give a fuck about Ukraine so yes. I give as much of a fuck for Ukraine as much as I give a fuck about whats going on in Sudan or Sri Lanka.

      I. Dont. Care.

      Those hundreds of billions of dollars are given to the banks to perpetuate this stupid war. Only ~5% of all the money donated to them has been humanitarian. The rest goes to the war machine.

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        Those hundreds of billions of dollars are given to the banks to perpetuate this stupid war

        Where did you glean this

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            I dont need to post any proof. You guys dont ever read any sources anyways so whats the point.

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                How about this. Lets meet in the middle. You come up with a source that is in contrary and ill come up with a source thats in favor and we can have a discussion. Otherwise, you just want a source that you can easily disqualify.

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                  That’s not how that works. You made a claim that you can’t backup. Meeting in the middle would be if you provided a source and we could discuss the validity. If your alleged source is so weak that it can be “easily disqualified” then you don’t really have a source then, do you? So maybe you didn’t pull it out if your own ass, but instead you saw someone else pull it out if their ass and you regurgitating their shit.

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                    What if I concede to not having made any research prior to my claims… much like you not making any research before trying to disprove. We would be even steven and we can start from the bottom. Otherwise, you are losing a golden opportunity to educate me correctly.

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        How is giving dust-collecting weapons and tanks giving money to the banks exactly?

        You realize that the monetary amount above isn’t actual money, right? It’s the worth of the goods being given that we weren’t using anyways.

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              The same way anyone starts negotiating with anyone: open a dialogue and exchange demands, and then work to make concessions and compromises. They won’t do that, though, because then the infinite money spigot from the US will shut off because America doesn’t want this war to ever end.

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                You tell me where you live, I’ll break into your house and steal half your stuff.

                Instead of fighting back or calling the police, we can negotiate so I can have half your stuff. Sound good?

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                  I dunno, do you have nuclear weapons that could cause the apocalypse?

                  Countries aren’t people. The scale the work on is much greater.

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                    You’ve got an important word there. Scale.

                    Countries aren’t people but they’re made up of them. It wouldn’t take nuclear weapons to annihilate your household.

                    Russia has invaded Ukraine’s home and tried to lay claim. Now you’re suggesting they give up what was taken from them to satisfy your desire for peace.

                    The analogy the other person used is fair. In another analogy Russia is nothing more than a bully. We’ve long moved past the time where the advice we give is to just give the bully your money so they don’t beat you up and take it anyway.

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                I doubt Ukraine will demand anything less than Russia pulling out of previous held lands. Russia will doubtless demand all lands it currently occupies (and maybe even ones it claims but does not occupy). Russia’s demand could be cast as peace, though really it involves giving a massive portion of Ukraine to Russia. And if you’re thinking that might be temporary… well, just ask Finland, which lost 9% of its territory to a peace agreement in the Winter War after the Soviet Union invaded them.

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                  They’d each have their own demands, and then negotiations would be finding a middle ground between “Ukraine gets everything it wants” and “Russia gets everything it wants”

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                    Why should Ukraine have to make any conversations at all? Russia invaded and took land and lives, and you think Ukraine should just give up some of that, just cuz?

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                    Russia is contractually obligated to shoot itself in the head right now, according to a treaty they signed declaring they are bound to Ukraine’s defense should an armed force invade it. I’m not really sure what Russia plans to bring to the table when they have broken every promise they have made and stolen from Ukraine.

                    You’re asking Ukraine to barter with the armed robber who claims ownership of your house.

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                  Yes because they cannot win on the battlefield and have lost an enormous amount of lives. Just because Russia is adversary to the US does not mean we should send 100,000’s of young people to the grave. (Meanwhile safe over in the states we wave Ukrainian flags and call them heroes as we leave them dead or mangled)

                  So yes reaching a compromise even if Russia was the aggressor is in the best interest of the people left in Ukraine.

                  Would you rather use our weaponry and intelligence and money to prolong this war for 10 years … just to have the same outcome but 20x the number of casualties?

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                  For the sake of peace, yes, I think they should be willing to make concessions. That’s how negotiations work.

                  If you refuse to offer anything you aren’t really negotiating. You’re just issuing demands with no exchange.

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                    Oh yeah that worked so well for them in 1997 and 2014. Did people forget that peace negotiations have happened before and russia has broken the agreement every time?

                    Why would Ukraine or anyone for that matter take anything the russian federation says as not a lie? Also I think that in this case it would be stupid for Ukraine to allow russia any ability to regroup.

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                    If someone came into your country and started to rape, kill and kidnap your people would you roll over and give them whatever they wanted to stop doing that?

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        Ok, and what do you think they would look like exactly? Unless Russia are willing to leave Ukraine, there’s little to talk about.

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        id prefer HIMARS instantly raining down on every last invader without a white flag in the sky. fuck em and the cookers supporting the genocide

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            What nuclear weapons? The fuel got sold for vodka money and the tritium has decayed away to uselessness with Russia giving up on producing more

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              If that were true, do you think America and its allies could resist total war? They’d just bomb the whole country to ashes.

              “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”