Just check their comment history for like 30 seconds. Everyone makes a joke that misses the mark every now and then, but the shittiest people usually constantly spew their nonsense.
Or just don’t look at people’s post history you creep?
I don’t find it creepy to read a person’s posts that were willingly submitted to a public forum.
If you just browse through your home feed, sure. But actively going out of your way to see someone’s comment or post history because you don’t agree with what they said is childish and frankly a bit concerning. It really shows your character.
Just don’t punch down. Simple as.
Dont tell me how to shitpost. If I want extra spicy ill get banned doing it
A person of culture, I see
What the fuck did you just say about me?
That took a second to register. Chapeau good sir
You got a chuckle there. Touche’
I only punch interdimensionally. Damn those lazy Gorblecks.
Uppercuts work just as well
Define punching down.
Is it economic power? 400e minimum wage here
Is it history? 400 years of Asian/African colonialism
Privilege? Amazon, any official manufacturer site and PayPal don’t work here. We just got Google Pay and Apple Pay.
Slavery? The word slave originates from the word Slav and we had nothing to do with colonialism.
I’m a white European and I am way less privileged than any US minority, technically we Slavs are also POC in the US.
So I technically can’t punch down on Americans. These kinds of things are dumb since you can’t know someone’s ethnicity, race, sex, country, etc. online.
So I technically can’t punch down on Americans
Black trans women in the United States are routinely assaulted and raped and have an HIV+ rate of 60%. You sure about that?
My point is that targeting vulnerable groups for humor isn’t funny, it’s just bullying and it’s sad. It shouldn’t be a controversial point.
Poe’s Law. Without a sarcasm tag it’s impossible to know if the person is being sarcastic or is that extreme.
You can always find someone on a social media site who actually holds that belief
Therefore it’s okay to argue against strawmen.
Most of the times its sarcasm unless you are in some places
The problem is the red ones take the orange ones seriously. Please don’t feed the trolls.
The shit posters drive a wedge in a community and the people who don’t like the “innocent” jokes leave. This makes fertile ground for ideological take over. Rinse and repeat in Fandoms, subreddits, message boards, etc.
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oh I havent been aware of them, what a great watch.
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Thanks, with piped I can watch the video in the EU without loging in.
Alternatively, the people who are so brittle that shit-posting causes them to somehow turn on half of the community were always going to volatile puritans.
What? Maybe some people join communities for fun and togetherness. Not amateur hour jew jokes or whatever.
I agree. But the discussion was shit-posting, not racist jokes, or am I missing something?
A careful read of the meme shows were talking about edgy, borderline right wing shit postings.
Except it’s not so black and white. Crude jokes can be funny and unfunny. Shit-posting is one thing but offensive jokes just often repeat themselves and I can understand wanting something new every now and then.
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“Everyone who disagrees with my narrow worldview is mentally unwell, and other stories for children on the internet”
Written by self-isolation With illustrations by social media Featuring a forward by my racist uncle who would sneak me beers at family picnics
Very enlightening meme you have added to the conversation.
Schizo*
Respectfully mention that it’s kinda insensitive, kinda like, “hey man, don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive?” and you’ll probably figure out fairly quickly which one is the answer. Additionally, if they legit don’t know why it’s insensitive, then you can educate them!
Just remember that tone can be difficult to convey on the internet, and sometimes you have to exaggerate the intended tone for it to be understood. Additionally, in my experience, asking the question from the other person’s perspective (“don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive” vs “I think that’s kinda insensitive”) seems to help a lot.
I hate concern trolls even more than I do being confused with a nazi, and I’m pretty average so ymmv
How about just deal with it? Internet is meant to be free space, that includes racists, bigots, rednecks, people you disagree with.
Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.
Yeah, no. The Internet isn’t meant to be a safe space for bigots. They’re free to post and everyone else is free to chase them back under the rock where they belong.
While you’re not wrong he said free space not safe space
And had it pointed out they’re free to post …just not free from consequences.
Unleash the kevins.
and this is where the conversation usually devolves into a hate fuck of everyone actually agreeing but they used the wrong words so I’m all in on you being the bad guy now.
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Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.
I don’t think you’ve read either book because that analogy makes absolutely no sense.
I’ll make the analogy more clear to you. In 1984 the government got absolute information control, thats what you guys are worried about. In Fahrenheit 451 people themselves censored everything that offended anyone, eventually leading to all the books being burnt.
People have opinions, and lemmy is becoming a worse echochamber than reddit.
Except the irony here is that the people we don’t want here are those offended by everything, like different people existing, and are also the one banning books. most people aren’t as easily offended as you make out to be, but most people expect jokes and behavior to be done in good taste, which translates to meaning no harms and no hate. only extremists of all sorts usually break that “rule”.
But nobody is burning books, we’re just saying don’t be a piece of shit on our website. If you feel like being a piece of shit, https://boards.4chan.org/b/ is right here, perfectly safe and unburned.
Oh so you ARE and ignorant, uninformed shitbag.
insulting someone’s intelligence while being unable to form a sentence will always be funny
Hey man, don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive?
“but why can’t I say offensive shit, it’s so funny every single time”
It’s not, edgy humor is stale especially the likes of 4chan
Nobody on the left is burning books if you’d look outside your bunker asshole.
Love you telling on yourself with that list
People have the right to say what they want (at least in the US, mostly), which includes people voicing their disagreement with stuff. It’s a two-way street and we’re better off with it that way. You can’t force someone to listen to you, just like someone can’t force you to listen to them.
What you can do, however, is attempt to educate people if they’re willing to be educated. If successful in doing so, you help decrease the amount of bigotry that exists. In my opinion, attempting to engage with an individual to determine their intent is a way of dealing with it. Why stay silent when you could help make the world a better place?
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Deal with what, exactly?
I don’t believe that you’ve read either book
My days on the Opie and Anthony reddit has given me good tone reading.
Fun racism and non fun racism. If it’s ugly in tone they’re racist. Remember Patrice or maybe Louis ck joking about how “jew” is both the normal term for Jewish people and the slur depending on the tone of how you say it. Reminds me of that but harder to tell with text.
“louie Louie Louie loooooieeeee!”
I miss his FX show. He’s a great comedian. Glad he came out and apologized and even made fun of himself a bit. I don’t believe in eternal damnation of public figures like that unless people get physically harmed.
I never understood the backlash on this one. He had their consent, and he wasn’t even their boss or anything. He was also younger and not as famous. Asking coworkers for sexual stuff is weird af, but is about it. They consented, so I guess he read the room correctly back then.
They consented to what they thought was a poor attempt at humor from someone in a position of power over them, boss or not, and then often were blocked in the room while he did it, y’know, against their consent.
I really hope that’s not your only understanding of how “consent” works when you’re peer pressured by a hero in a position of power over you.
In what fucking universe does the director of an absolute bomb have power over a lifelong actress?
Louie right after the disaster of pootie pie was quite a bit different than Louie at the height of his career.
It was a weird moment, and it is tangentially related since he is an example of a guy who got inordinately horny the moment he felt a connection with a woman he felt was a kindred, but what happened with Louie is quite a bit different than what happened with Weinstein or Cosby. It’s quite arguable that he had less power in that exchange.
That people mix these things up says something about society but I’m not sure what.
Which of the 5 women are you talking about?
Never heard anything about being blocked in the room, I would appreciate the sources on this if you have them. Also, I would appreciate if you could elaborate what power exactly he had on anyone at this point.
No need to be snarky about my definition of “consent”, obviously we disagree on the dynamic of the situation, not the definition of consent.
Oh man. That subreddit was a fucking trip. I followed it for a while, and couldn’t believe how the hosts would interact with them. Some absolute crazy people on that sub
Tbh this is what I love with (uncensored) internet. It’s hard to draw the line between sarcasm and mental illness.
Yeah but also it enables stuff like Nazi dogwhistling soooo lmao
Well, Nazi existed before the internet and would exist without it. They didn’t wait for the internet to enable themselves. There can’t be zero downside for having a 100% free platform, I do agree.
Yeah but Nazism spread via propaganda, which is what dogwhistling is a form of.
The Internet is the largest spreader of propaganda that humanity has ever seen, so it’s not surprising that it helped revitalize neo-nazism and fascism is general. It also served to make satire and actual radicalized behavior harder to detect. A lot of the time, 4chan boards use this “edgy satire” format to normalize the behavior (to an extent). See: the “MAP” misinformation campaign they did and how it reinforced actual pedophilia and demonized LGBT groups
Are you completely oblivious to the rise of right wing ideology the last 10-15+ years? The internet has 100% enabled it.
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Wrong. /b/ was never good.
The way it was and should be tbh
You like being around mentally ill people?
Well here you and we are.
Post history helps
Till you find their collection of feet pics
Then it helps more
Oh you found the Turning Point guys profile?
I find having a dank username helps more
What is dank?
Yo mama.
Gotem
They make crude jokes on the internet?!
Yo mama
Hmm…
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There is such a thing as a “non-extremist” right-winger?
Yes, Joe Biden.
He looked pretty extremist to me when he helped the Bush regime lie their way into Iraq. And the guy literally chose a pig to be his running mate.
Doesn’t get more extreme than that - him pretending to be “nicer” than the more overt right-wingers doesn’t change that.
I’m not absolving him of anything, I’m expressing a disdain for Democrats masquerading as a left leaning party.
Okay.
Probably the LibDems in the UK—A mostly inert centre-right party
The probability of encountering a “non-extremist” right-winger is exactly the same as of encountering a “non-extremist” left-winger and is quite small. The vast majority of people are moderates, either left or right leaning.
Also, from the European perspective, the American left aka Democrats are quite right leaning :)
Oh look… an “enlightened centrist” has shown up to run interference for the right-wingers.
Oh look, a person that cannot distinguish center from right. I wonder how you drive if you can’t into directions.
Oh look, a person that cannot distinguish politics from vehicular activity. I wonder how you manage to drive anywhere without ever turning left.
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Both words, “extremist” and “right-wing”, have no real hard definitions.
No, right-wing ideology has a very hard and clear-cut definition - all politics that protects power and privilege. It really doesn’t get any simpler than that.
Is being socially conservative right wing?
It’s not supposed to be… but the only people self-applying the term in the US are fascists.
Is supporting capitalism right wing?
Yes. Period.
anti-racist and pro-trans left wing?
That’s not progressive - that’s radicalism.
Is socialism left wing? Is only communism left wing?
Yes.
Is someone an extremist if they condone violence?
No.
Is someone an extremist if they seek to change the system fundamentally?
No, that’s radicalism.
Is someone an extremist if their political beliefs are very strongly held, no matter what they might be?
No.
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There is no common ground on these definitions.
Yes, they’ve spent trillions on propaganda machines to make sure no clear meaning can be ascribed to rather simple political concepts. That doesn’t stop us from discovering their actual meanings at all.
We both know that different people use these terms differently.
Yes. See above.
The German political education ministry for example defines extremism
Sooo… power will attempt to “define” political concepts in a way that protects itself?
On the other hand, the ADL defines extremism as any belief outside of the mainstream
So, again… power will attempt to “define” political concepts in a way that protects itself?
Meanwhile, the British government considers extremism to be anything opposed to “British values”,
And… more of the same?
fact is that they do not have clear definitions
That’s because “definitions” are utterly useless. What isn’t useless is the meaning without which these political concepts cease to serve any purpose - and no amount of “muddying the water” will be able to rob them of that.
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But you don’t have the authority over words.
I have said nothing about authority. You, on the other hand…
their meaning is defined by usage
…ascribe those with the deepest pockets and vilest agendas the power to “define” the meaning of terms for you. Fox News gets to “define” the usage of the term socialism as “gubment doing stuff” (or whatever white supremacist nazi crack-pipe logic they are peddling these days) - but that doesn’t rob the term socialism of it’s actual meaning in any way or shape whatsoever. Fox News doesn’t get to wipe away hundreds of years of socialist theory - that’s why their ilk are resorting to burning books. They have failed to strip meaning from ideas despite all the trillions they have spent on their propaganda - so now they are resorting to the age-old tactic of simply attampting to prevent people from coming into contact with said meaning in the first place.
The exact same goes for what is “left” or “right,” or that which is “radical” or “reactionary” - usage does not dictate meaning. The distance between the usage and the actual meaning of a term merely demonstrates the intelectual integrity (or lack thereof) and/or understanding (or lack therof) of the user.
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Shitposters are definitely not innocent.
I would also replace it with trolls because comments in that territory are consistently on or over the line.
And that’s how I got banned from Reddit by making offensive jokes.
Lol and someone made a post how no on here uses /s
i will reject /s and make people think im a nazi for fun
Never dumb down humor just because some people aren’t capable of understanding it.
A year ago I made a sarcastic comment which most people understood as such, except one other commenter. I took the opportunity to make the most heavy handed sarcastic response I could where I said democrats should vote for SpongeBob and we should all be more like him because he’s a hard worker.
Apparently that was the comment that needed the /s.
The real problem, in my opinion, is that when there’s so much toxicity in a network that people need the /s, the network isn’t capable of handling sarcasm anymore. At that point hate has won.
It’s hard to keep up, but I try to read like everyone is having a good time. Like hanging out with my friends. It’s a lot easier to not get heated about comments and just enjoy things. Because it can absolutely be easy to get drawn into the toxicity.
Reddit turned into nothing but toxic and “actually” replies to even the simplistic of things. And that /s was everywhere. So yeah I think you’re absolutely right.
Also, go fuck yourself.
I didn’t ask for your opinion, but ok.
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See? We’re having a good time
It really is a magical night ❤️
Sarcasm is no fun if everyone get’s it and I genuinely hate /s tbh. It kinda established that you’re always serious when you don’t use it and deserves to die.
That’s always fun. Especially when you’re the opposite of one.
Telling people you’re being sarcastic makes it not funny anymore
Tell me more /s
I should add: unless that it’s so obviously sarcastic that the /s is itself the joke.
