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Yea. There is “having personal tastes” but a lot of these comments are just straight up judgmental of other people’s choices of personal expression and using this post as an excuse to espouse some pretty harmful rhetoric.
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I don’t get why people try to hide freckles. They’re so unique!
Tabs over spaces, always
… wait, you’re asking in asklemmy, not programming…
Uhhh… that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc
Uhhh… that thing where people glue little strands of hair to their forehead in an arc
Do you mean styling baby hairs?
Yes! Thats it!
Thanks i hate it
I also hate those.
She got six eyebrows and a widows peak!
Tabs were literally designed for indenting, as far as I can tell.
Not really, surprisingly. The “tab” terminology is a hangover from the typewriter days, when pressing the tab key would move your carriage to the left (i.e. sending the typing position towards the right) to the point where the tab stop was, which may or may not have been user configurable depending on the age or fanciness level of your typewriter. On mechanical models this involved sliding a little arrowhead shaped mechanical dingus up at the top over the carriage, a skeuomorph that’s still present in basically every computer word processing application even today.
This was to allow operators to easily write tabular data, i.e. tables or columns, which would be inset from the left margin by a consistent amount, and typically much further inboard than the indent at the beginning of a paragraph would be. The latter was usually accomplished with a small number of spaces instead. And this is why the key is called “tab” and not “ind” or something.
This got carried over to word processors and then to computers kind of by default. But interestingly (if you’re the right kind of nerd to be interested by that sort of thing, anyway) early 8 bit microcomputers that were not envisaged with word processing or a typewriter-esque paradigm in mind conspicuously lacked a tab key. The Commodore 64 and Vic 20, TI-99, Acorn Electron, and certainly the ZX Spectrum all leap to mind.
But the original IBM PC definitely had a tab key, which was almost certainly carried directly over from IBM’s Selectric typewriters. So we’ve had it ever since. The notion of there being a “tab character” of some greater-than-space width lent it to being used for first line indents for a while, but the prominence of HTML and its dogged insistence on collapsing whitespace – especially at the beginning of lines – eventually put a stop to that and caused practically everybody to switch to double line breaks to separate paragraphs instead. Except for writing code, which can involve a whole bunch of indentation to many, many levels of depth.
Indenting the starts of paragraphs was an even older hangover from printing presses, and that’s another whole damn rabbit hole anyway.
I read an article / listened to a podcast where a visually impaired person said that tabs are much better because they can configure how wide they are rendered to better accommodate them and now In would prefer to use tabs. Still all customers i have seem to use only spaces.
I am more into spaces, but as long as the indentation is done consistently i can tolerate tabs.
I mean, how could using tabs not be consistent when only comparing to spaces? Seems to me like spaces give infinitely more opportunity to fuck up indentation.
Not everyone is beautiful. Most people are average and many are not attractive.
Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy and honestly delusional.
Edit: Most people are thinking of this when mentioning obesity.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=real+obese+people+&t=h_&iar=images
Not this.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=heavy+rugby+players&t=fpas&iar=images
Complaining about the BMI scale is a disservice to those who truly need to lose weight for their health.
Obesity is not beautiful. It is unhealthy
I’d even go so far as to say obesity is unattractive, because it’s unhealthy.
Healthy is of course beautiful.
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There’s an implied “[what looks] healthy is beautiful”…
We… obviously can’t peer into people’s cells while we’re walking around town and people browsing… I didn’t think I had to clarify this. 😄
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People speculate that this is one of the reasons why those most opposed to weight loss medications like Ozempic are, in fact, fit people. In a world where most people around you are obese or unhealthy, being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on. But now that you can get lean without putting in the effort, it dilutes that signal.
being fit becomes a way to signal discipline, long-term planning, a healthy lifestyle, competence, and so on.
Yeah but I think it’ll just be a more explicit marker of wealth instead, sort of how so much of fashion boils down to “how much are you willing to spend?”
I’ve never heard that about Ozempic or had those thoughts about weight loss medications.
The only thing I’ve ever thought about weight loss medication is “that’s probably snake oil” or “that doesn’t sound healthy for the body”.
Really? I’ve never heard that sentiment from any of my other fit friends and I certainly don’t feel that way. I would love it if everyone was just hot.
Considering how much of human effort is just signaling in different forms, this makes a lot of sense. Losing a visual marker of your hard work messes with your established signaling. This makes me wonder what the new signal will be? Fitness clothing has already been taken… Maybe people will wear their gym memberships on a lanyard all the time or something?
Well, Ozempic will make you lean, but it won’t make you fit or muscular - so there’s still that. In that sense, it might be more accurate to say that the people opposing it are likely those who’ve gotten lean through dieting and occasional exercise, rather than bodybuilders.
That’s a good point, I was lumping too many people together there. Yes, now how will people show they “suffered” with dieting?
Average is plenty beautiful, though. At least in countries where ‘average’ doesn’t mean ‘severely over- or underweight’.
The whole fat acceptance movement is honestly gross AF.
I don’t care how happy you are about it. This shit is not healthy and we shouldn’t be promoting it.
Says fat people promote unhealthy lifestyles. Gif: An obese chick getting exercise while playing an instrument that takes considerable muscle control and a high lung capacity.
Damn. Lot of people really hate fat folks. I’m just saying you want to prove fat people are unhealthy— a woman in a career that takes a high level of stamina and discipline isn’t a great example.
Yeah that’s a terrible example of an unhealthy fat person, she is an outlier for sure, was so overweight and could run and sing at the same time! I’m sure it’s harder on your joints and all but if someone can out-dance you, while singing loud, she is in better cardiovascular shape than you.
who is considered “obese” is often determined by the BMI which is a flawed scale to determine health and wellness, you can read about it here: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-rely-on-bmi-alone
Absolutely there is such thing as unhealthily fat and weight being a detriment to your health, but there are 100% people who are, by modern beauty standards, “fat” and still very active and healthy by all measured metrics. Body types are different and some people will be more stocky than others, and I think that’s what the “fat acceptance” movement is really about
My brother is obese and also one of the fittest people I know. He can walk miles without breaking a sweat, no high blood pressure, no high cholesterol, heart is doing fine, no arthritis, etc. ad nauseum. He’s fat because he eats a lot, but everything he eats is home cooked with plenty of veg and little meat. He just loves cooking.
My doc said the other day she prefers it when her patients are heavier, because when people get very sick, it’s the “healthy” thin ones who die first in the ICU purely because they don’t have any fat to spare.
As to your second point, I have a personal hypothesis that cancer is the reason for the middle-aged gut. Hell, guess it could be disease in general. Anyway, with a few extra pounds you have more time to fight.
Same with being underweight. It is also not healthy or beautiful.
Hard agree. I am so willing to die on this hill.
Yes, but actually no. I’ll not discuss taste because that’s very personal, but while as a general rule obesity is unhealthy and most obese people should change their habits, the way we define obesity is with BMI, which is extremely inaccurate for very short or very tall people, not to mention bone and muscle density is different for different people, I have always (since at least 13 YO) have been in the obese category, even when I was training daily and could run a few kilometers at around 5 min per km I was obese, even though I looked only slightly overweight, the reason is because I have dense bones and at the time had lots of muscles (which are lots denser than fat). So while there’s a strong correlation between being obese and being unhealthy one should be very careful not to mix the two and assume a 100% correlation or causation effect.
I hate BMI. I am working on losing weight, but I am gaining muscle at the same rate I’m losing fat, so my weight has hardly changed. None of my clothes fit anymore and I am much slimmer, but still considered obese. I’m not even weighing myself regularly at this point. I’m just going by how I look and feel and my clothes size.
Yup, don’t bother too much with BMI, like I said, I’ve been obese all my life, even when I was in better shape than almost anyone I knew and was training and beating people that looked a lot better than me.
If you want to show just how absurd it is, look at the world strongest man, his BMI is 40.7 which puts him as an obese type 3, even now that I’m in the worst shape of my life I’m not in that category.
Holy shit that’s wild. Is BMI good for anything, then? Or does it need abandoned?
BMI misses more often in the other direction (skinny-fat), being fit and obese is much less common.
It’s my understanding that the only proven health metric with regard to size is waist to height. Your waist measurement less than half your height? Then you don’t have too much abdominal fat, and it’s the abdominal fat that is a bigger risk to your health.
It’s a general guideline that’s accurate for average people that live average lives, but if you’re too tall, too short, too muscled, have lower or higher bone density, etc it can be very inaccurate. No doctor takes any action on this alone, but it can be a guideline to ask you for blood works or other studies to ensure things are okay. There are better ways to measure body fat percentage, but that requires special instruments and also are usually dependent on where your body stores fat, so you might not have ever done them before.
Mowed lawns. Just let it grow, it’s easier and healthier.
This is literal and an innuendo.
Lip injections make me think of those wax lips they used to give out for Halloween
Thanks. I’ve been wondering what Marilyn Manson has been up to lately.
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Yeah but I’m a lady and can comment lol it’s doesn’t specify the gender
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No it doesn’t, that’s your paranoia and your own preconceptions speaking.
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What I noticed in the top comments is also that many of the beauty standards mentioned are racialized, either appropriated or just plain racial. (E.g. thick lips, the hair curlies, the thin/drawn on eyebrows).
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Agreed BUT TBF he did not make a reference to women. It could apply to man too. Which is also stupid because it doesn’t matter who you are you have the right to be what and how you want!
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Ugh, I HATE when women present themselves in ways they like. They should be focused on appealing to ME, a man they aren’t attracted to in the slightest.
Women? Not only op didn’t set any sex or gender constraints, but for what it’s worth, disagreeing with a beauty standard doesn’t mean you necessarily find it unattractive. It just means you don’t think it’s the right standard.
For me, I disagree about perfectly white teeth. I prefer the ivory shades, not yellow, just ivory. I steer clear of any tooth whitening products.
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There are mentions of beards, full public bush, overly white teeth, and tats. This thread isn’t just about women.
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I don’t see it. I don’t find it gross at all, and wouldn’t find the opposite version gross either if I saw it on c/womensstuff or something.
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My favorite people, and probably yours too are not 10/10 hotties. The people I want to spend time with are funny and kind.
Chasing ‘beauty standards’, I feel, is a waste of your human potential. That time can be better used building friendships and community. Isn’t that what most people really want?
If people focused their time there instead, maybe they would feel more accepted, confident and worthy instead of trying to shortcut their way to perceived success by altering their bodies. I find it sad that the digital age has pushed humanity so deeply in to ‘comparative society’.
Confidence is the hottest most attractive thing to me in the end.
It can go too far in the opposite direction, though. I was raised in an environment where men doing literally anything besides showering a bit was gay.
Arguably, being muscular is a male beauty standard. I would very much prefer it if men had more freedom of expression, though.
Not a beauty standard per se, but I don’t like tattoos one bit.
It used to be “rebellious” to have a tattoo, but nowadays it seems like everyone has one - so maybe the truly rebellious thing now is not having them.
I don’t think tattoos have been about rebellion in a long time. It’s just art for your body.
Depends on your background. If you’re from a Jewish or Muslim family pearls will be clutched.
It was always just art for your body.
People who got tattoos wanted to be able to express themselves in the way they desired, by decorating their body with artwork, and didn’t appreciate having their decision dictated by arbitrary standards that they did not agree to. They weren’t doing it for the sake of rebellion, it was just called rebellion because it went against the social expectations of the time.
People often do not understand the reason behind the act of rebellion and attribute those engaging in the activities as being done for the sake of rebellion itself instead of some deeper cause.
Yeah but it used to be. Even Kat Von D is blacking out her tattoos so that it would be more provocative again which is how she likes it.
Fish lips.
Filler and injections.
When they’re done badly, it’s very noticeable and terrible. When they aren’t done, it’s fine. Not everybody is looking for curves and puffy lips. Presumably, there’s a bunch of successful injections you never notice, but on the balance that’s not a very good record.
“Beauty has to be gendered”
I think you don’t need to “look like a man” or “look like a woman” to be pretty
Angelic androgynous beauty is indeed so very beautiful.
Fake eye lashes. Holy God do they look stupid but somehow are so normalized. No idea how some women find the courage to walk outside with what look to me like Muppet eyes.
For the love of God ladies, tone it down. Your eyes are beautiful as they are! Mascara is one thing, but if I feel a fucking breeze every time you blink, it’s gone too far.
You have it backwards. As with all things beauty, it isn’t about having the courage to do it - doing it gives you courage and confidence.
It’s strange that this has made a comeback. It was a thing in the 1960s. And it’s a pain in the ass.
I think fake eyelashes can look flattering on older people when they are done right. As you age, your lids start to droop and your eye sockets recede. Fake eyelashes can help provide better definition in those cases.
Beards. I never understood why some women find it so sexy. But I am okay with people having different tastes. What is icky is that some women have made such a huge deal about them that it gets borderline unfair for men who don’t want to bother with grooming or those who cannot grow a full beard.
Beards are one of those things that are at least natural and have uses beyond beauty standards (e.g. some men have sensitive skin that easily gets irritated by shaving, and it protects the skin from sunlight, cold and drying out). If you don’t go all out styling it or having it impractically long, a trimmed beard is less effort than a clean shave (at least for men who have to shave daily to maintain the clean look).
Yes but the women in question expect a full, thick and groomed beard, not just maintained.
I really don’t think that kind of expectation is that common.
My SO would never let me shave mine. It’s also a good way to immediately change my appereance/look 10 years younger if I ever want/need to.
Yeah, I look like a teenager without a beard. I look like a father of a teenager with one lol.
What is icky is that some women have made such a huge deal about them that it gets borderline unfair for men who don’t want to bother with grooming or those who cannot grow a full beard.
TIL that’s a thing. Beard culture mostly feels like men competing against and/or encouraging other men. And old ladies are pretty direct about fucking hating them.
Many women, especially Instagram scrollers cannot stop raving about beards.
Agree with this. I think not every masculine face benefits from a beard.
Fun facial hair is awesome. Love a nice beard or mustache or sideburns. I draw the line at mustache wax tho. It grosses me out for some reason.
Septum rings. They just remind me of cows.
Yep, although I’m getting used to them over time. It still seems to be confined to people who are very “alt”.
