Bruh I know the Overton window in the US is megafucked but she’s literally one of our most liberal politicians by voting record, she is not “firmly right wing” by any reasonable standard
She’s in favor of a fascist border policy against asylum seekers, a firm supporter of the fascist Zionist entity known as Israel, and wants to appoint members of the fascist party to her cabinet if she wins. She’s been endorsed by architects of the Iraq war and the US torture program.
Don’t mistake me for a Kamala Harris apologist- she is absolutely a huge centrist in her presidential campaign. I am tired of this false equivalency with the total fascist ilk she’s running against. It’s not useful and it’s dishonest.
I hate to be pedantic but that’s almost exactly the definition of a centrist, someone who collaborates with both sides (even if one of those sides is fascist, genocidal, racist, etc.). And again, I don’t disagree, it’s a bad thing to be for exactly that reason. But it’s also a different thing than being explicitly a right wing authoritarian fascist like Trump is.
A centrist collaborates with the right and left (mostly the right), but fascists are to the right of the right. They’re far right, which is a distinct grouping from ordinary right-wing ideology. Fascist collaboration requires becoming right-wing, just to meet them halfway.
She is not a centrist, Bill Clinton was a centrist. With what she’s proposing, her actions, and the endorsements she’s fought for, she’s on par with Trump. She may not say the quiet parts out loud like trump, but her actions speak louder than the words she’s not saying.
If you find yourself agreeing with Dick Cheney on politics you might want to rethink your positions.
He doesn’t like Trump because he’s a destabilizing element. He agitates the masses against him and does stupid shit for no reason that makes allies and adversarie alike stop trusting the US. He’s bad for business.
What if you find yourself agreeing with Repubs that you should vote for third parties over a Dem? Or is that different because saying so doesn’t support the pro-MAGA campaigning you are here for?
No, let’s focus on the question, thanks. They want left-leaning people who are voting to do exactly what you plan to do. Does that mean you should rethink your positions? I mean, obviously not, you’re a MAGA campaigner. But in the context of your cosplay?
Somehow MAGA is worse than even Dick Cheney at this point and you are choosing to align with MAGA against the Dems. Meanwhile red-faced and screeching that Harris is accepting support from a former VP who has sway with people who might actually vote.
Okay, so, Republicans don’t just want people to vote third party. They’re very openly anti-libertarian and are kicking them off ballots, for example.
Their primary goal is to stop people from voting entirely, which is why the bulk of their money and legislative effort have gone into into disenfranchisement. Anyone choosing to sit this election out is definitely helping Republicans. And I am voting.
As for third parties, they only and specifically promote the Greens. Why them? It’s because Greens are an unserious protest vote and Republicans are fine with that.
That’s not me agreeing with you. Greens specifically are unserious because they’re just another liberal party, they have no revolutionary agenda or plan to build real political power. They’re just activism for the sake of activism. They show up every couple years and disappear between elections. Pure virtue signaling.
I’m voting PSL. You won’t see Republicans promoting them. Greens are harmless. Socialism scares them.
We need to build a workers’ party to fight the bipartisan dictatorship of capital. Build the workers’ party, build class consciousness, militarize the unions, agitate the masses, become ungovernable, arm the working class, movement building. That’s how we beat fascism. You won’t beat fascism by voting for fascist collaborators like Harris
If by right wing you mean not strictly anti-capitalist, sure, at the end of the day shes not going to ovsrthrow capitalism. Still the policies and protections she wants to enact is the furthest left we’ve gone in multiple lifetimes. The last time we’ve had any kind of policy proposal like hers was likely FDR.
FDR proposals, which directly came from a socialist, actually helped the working class. Our wages suck, our labor conditions sucks, our future prospects sucks, and we keep getting told everything is fine. She and democrats are not progressive in action, only in lip service.
There is no middle road politician running. Harris by all accounts is firmly right wing.
Bruh I know the Overton window in the US is megafucked but she’s literally one of our most liberal politicians by voting record, she is not “firmly right wing” by any reasonable standard
She’s in favor of a fascist border policy against asylum seekers, a firm supporter of the fascist Zionist entity known as Israel, and wants to appoint members of the fascist party to her cabinet if she wins. She’s been endorsed by architects of the Iraq war and the US torture program.
California’s top cop is right-wing.
Don’t mistake me for a Kamala Harris apologist- she is absolutely a huge centrist in her presidential campaign. I am tired of this false equivalency with the total fascist ilk she’s running against. It’s not useful and it’s dishonest.
Fascist collaborators are not centrists.
I hate to be pedantic but that’s almost exactly the definition of a centrist, someone who collaborates with both sides (even if one of those sides is fascist, genocidal, racist, etc.). And again, I don’t disagree, it’s a bad thing to be for exactly that reason. But it’s also a different thing than being explicitly a right wing authoritarian fascist like Trump is.
A centrist collaborates with the right and left (mostly the right), but fascists are to the right of the right. They’re far right, which is a distinct grouping from ordinary right-wing ideology. Fascist collaboration requires becoming right-wing, just to meet them halfway.
She is not a centrist, Bill Clinton was a centrist. With what she’s proposing, her actions, and the endorsements she’s fought for, she’s on par with Trump. She may not say the quiet parts out loud like trump, but her actions speak louder than the words she’s not saying.
Bullshit.
Because your daddy is worse in their eyes.
If you find yourself agreeing with Dick Cheney on politics you might want to rethink your positions.
He doesn’t like Trump because he’s a destabilizing element. He agitates the masses against him and does stupid shit for no reason that makes allies and adversarie alike stop trusting the US. He’s bad for business.
Harris will be good for the empire. That’s it.
If Dick Cheney told you he thought wearing a seatbelt was a good idea, you’d argue against him because clearly an idea is bad if a bad person has it.
Evaluate an argument on its merits, regardless of who endorses it.
While true, that commenter is a very well known bad actor and provocateur. I recommend against engaging.
Obviously he’s not, like, a chaos demon. He presumably eats human food and all that.
But he’s a monster and should be in prison, not giving endorsements. This is like being endorsed by Anders Brevik or some shit.
She should have rejected the endorsement. Instead she’s embracing him. It’s disgusting.
What if you find yourself agreeing with Repubs that you should vote for third parties over a Dem? Or is that different because saying so doesn’t support the pro-MAGA campaigning you are here for?
Republicans clearly prefer that people not vote at all, which is why they have put so much effort and money into disenfranchisement.
No, let’s focus on the question, thanks. They want left-leaning people who are voting to do exactly what you plan to do. Does that mean you should rethink your positions? I mean, obviously not, you’re a MAGA campaigner. But in the context of your cosplay?
Somehow MAGA is worse than even Dick Cheney at this point and you are choosing to align with MAGA against the Dems. Meanwhile red-faced and screeching that Harris is accepting support from a former VP who has sway with people who might actually vote.
Okay, so, Republicans don’t just want people to vote third party. They’re very openly anti-libertarian and are kicking them off ballots, for example.
Their primary goal is to stop people from voting entirely, which is why the bulk of their money and legislative effort have gone into into disenfranchisement. Anyone choosing to sit this election out is definitely helping Republicans. And I am voting.
As for third parties, they only and specifically promote the Greens. Why them? It’s because Greens are an unserious protest vote and Republicans are fine with that.
That’s not me agreeing with you. Greens specifically are unserious because they’re just another liberal party, they have no revolutionary agenda or plan to build real political power. They’re just activism for the sake of activism. They show up every couple years and disappear between elections. Pure virtue signaling.
I’m voting PSL. You won’t see Republicans promoting them. Greens are harmless. Socialism scares them.
We need to build a workers’ party to fight the bipartisan dictatorship of capital. Build the workers’ party, build class consciousness, militarize the unions, agitate the masses, become ungovernable, arm the working class, movement building. That’s how we beat fascism. You won’t beat fascism by voting for fascist collaborators like Harris
This is really weird. You’re happy for Trump to be elected because Cheney is so bad?!?
I will never be happy.No that’s not true. I’ll be happy when the so-called state of Israel is defeated and pays for it’s crimes.
And it will.
Not if Trump is elected, it won’t!
Trump is far more likely to fuck things up.
Their new slogan has that prominently on display, Country Over Party
*COP
If by right wing you mean not strictly anti-capitalist, sure, at the end of the day shes not going to ovsrthrow capitalism. Still the policies and protections she wants to enact is the furthest left we’ve gone in multiple lifetimes. The last time we’ve had any kind of policy proposal like hers was likely FDR.
FDR proposals, which directly came from a socialist, actually helped the working class. Our wages suck, our labor conditions sucks, our future prospects sucks, and we keep getting told everything is fine. She and democrats are not progressive in action, only in lip service.
Do those accounts include the one where she just called for legalizing pot?
Or is that a Right position in your mind?
You mean like Biden did 4 years ago? That’s a carrot to lead you to the ballot that they have no intention of implementing
I’d rather have Harris calling for pot to be legal and lying then have Trump saying he’ll be a dictator and telling the truth.
She’s distracting with stuff like pot so we don’t focus on weapons being provided by her and Biden that are burning people alive.
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You were probably focused on bullshit stuff like covefe
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You mean like the reclassification into schedule III?