• collapse_already@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    They should set the debate up the debate like an obstacle course for geriatrics. A ramp to get to the podium. A glass drinking cup with a little too much water in it. World’s lamest Ninja Warrior course.

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    3 months ago

    Ultimately, it’s his call.

    This is checks calendar 2024. Candidates don’t need to debate, they all have to agree to it. If Trump doesn’t want to debate, then it’s not going to happen unless they basically give into his demands, because ignoring debates no longer looks bad (which is insane, but here we are).

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      I think debates don’t really matter anymore because what these people say and do is reported on constantly all day every day. That wasn’t how it used to be.

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        That’s not necessarily represenative of how they act in person, spontaneously.

        I go in assuming all social media is basically a lie.

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              You can absolutely be in the loop on important stuff without going to Twitter.

              Stop supporting that shitstain and that Nazi haven by going there.

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          Nope, watched the first 30 minutes of it. Unless he had a literal stroke the last half hour. He did fine. Just looked old and tired, which apparently means he did awful in the debate. Meanwhile, trump lied constantly, and didn’t answer half of the questions he was asked. But all anybody talked about after the debate is how bad Biden did, and how he should step down.

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            The media is the reason Biden did bad at the debate. I agree with you. Biden didn’t have the best showing, but if you listened to what he said, he made good points and answered questions well enough. He did lose track and mumbled some, which is part speech impediment and part age, but not a new phenomenon. Trump lied about every, didn’t answer many questions, and sounded like an idiot. Yet after the debate no news stations said anything about how shitty Trump was, just how old Biden is.

            I hope him stepping down works out, but the media made him lose the debate, not his performance against someone who did worse.

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      3 months ago

      Why would he be afraid? She is not particularly smart, and she is very off putting. I think any extra time of her speaking would be a positive for his campaign.

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        Sure, but Donald Trump is even less smart and even more off-putting. Any extra time of him speaking would be a positive for her campaign.

        Yet that doesn’t seem to detract from the reality that Trump resonates with a significant proportion of voters. I am certainly seeing genuine enthusiasm for Harris as well. Neither of these points have too much to do with how they would perform in a debate against each other on grounds of argument. Certainly respective optics will matter, but I feel like Trump’s optics have already shed the folks he’s going to lose, with very few hesitant conservatives remaining and many fanatics who will vote for him no matter which lines he crosses

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          Sorry man but you are eating up the propaganda. Trump is legitimately funny and has charisma enough to be one of the most famous people in the world for decades. The reason people say trump is so bad and dumb and repelling is because it is propaganda.

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            Trump is legitimately funny

            To laugh at.

            People confuse his cruelty as humor. Show me a clip of Trump being funny that is not at someone else’s expense.

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            He’s infamous. That’s not the same as famous. He’s infamous for being wold class at being slimy, racist and immoral but, despite this, still managing to have a cult of brain dead sycophants who worship his every action.

            The reason people say trump is bad and repelling is Trumps own actions and words. The difference is that those people that find him to be exactly that haven’t been groomed into rejecting the evidence of their eyes and ears.

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              He is now, but he was top tier famous for decades before politics. If you were actually intereseted in what is happening not just the propaganda, almost everything bad they say about trump is a direct lie or misleading. You just need to read past the headline to see its propaganda. Litearlly just dive down on any story.

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                So, just to be clear, its everyone else in the world who’s wrong and susceptible to propaganda and your little cult whos correct?

                Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure you’ve been groomed into knee-jerk dismissing anything bad anyone ever says about trump as propaganda, before you’ve even had a chance to consciously think about it. However, that’s not the same as your wild and baseless dismissals being the right thing to do. It just means that you have been conditioned to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears.

                What makes you immune to this “propaganda” that all those who fall for it lack? Which bad bits are true then, if its only “nearly all of it” that’s wrong.

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                  I am not going to vote for trump, but no, everyone is susceptible to it, and some are more susceptible. The MAGA people also believe propaganda but its different types, they come from an experience of the government fucking them over for decades and want someone they believe will fight back.

                  I am more immune to propaganda based on being an former engineer that just looks at data to make my beliefs. The trick there is to actually look at correct data and not be influenced by headlines or misleading information. The big problem is that your group believes that the media will tell you the truth and will not lie to you. For example look back a month or so ago when they were all claiming Biden was “sharp” when that was obviously a lie to anyone who was skeptical. Anyone that was impartial could see that he wasnt fully functional anymore back in 2020.

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        • Degree in PolSci and Econ
        • Head of econ soc, debate team, AKA sorority
        • Doctorate of Jurisprudence
        • president of NLBSA
        • Passed the bar
        • Immediately made Deputy DA
        • chief of Career Criminal Division
        • elected to SF DA as the underdog of 3 candidates, ran unopposed for second term
        • First woman, African American and South Asian American Attorney General
        • Won a legal challenge against a coalition of the five largest mortgage lenders for better rates
        • Brokered privacy policy with FAANG+HP+Blackberry
        • Elected to Senate, committees on Budget, Homeland Security, Fed Spending, Emergency Management, Intelligence, Judiciary, Constitutional Rights, Privacy in Tech
        • Chosen as VP pick
        • Co authored withdrawal from Afghanistan
        • Negotiations with France over nuclear submarines
        • Thurgood Marshall Award
        • Newsweeks 20 most powerful women in 2005
        • Time100 three times, twice before becoming VP
        • bipartisan justice award
        • Two honorary doctorates
        • two books + a children’s book

        • not as smart as Trump

        Hmm, yeah, sure.

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          I know that wasn’t necessarily meant for me but I didn’t know all that, so thanks for putting the list together!

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            She’s also from a very gifted family in general. Both her parents had PhDs, her mother was a researcher who’s credited with making significant advancements in understanding breast cancer, her father was a professor of economics at Stanford and her sister is a lawyer and political analyst.

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          I never said anything about trump intelligence, but I dont see her at particularly smart. Smart people would be someone like Vivek or Elizebeth Warren, Harris is not in their league so she doesnt have that advantage.

          And many of those this are not really brags…

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              The one that is uncontroversially an abysmal failure would be “Co authored withdrawal from Afghanistan”. That is incredible someone would even want to mention it.

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                  Of course I could do better, give a map to a toddler and they could have done better. Think about it this way, which would you chose to try to defend, an airport in a city of 4.5 million (semi-hostile) people, or at an AFB that they put billions of dollars into 1 hour north surrounded by desert?