Now that we’re no longer linked to lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works we can’t subscribe to their communities any more.
How affected were your subscriptions? How many of your subs stopped working?
My subs were mostly beehaw and lemmy.world so I’m looking for new stuff. :)
Do you have some tips for interesteing communities on other instances?
Honestly feel like this is more reason to join a smaller instance which can interact with all of these communities. It takes some of the load off of the bigger instances, you can have a closer relationship to the mods/admins of your instance, and have protection against drama that goes down between the bigger instance
We really just need a way to migrate accounts (with post histories, etc.) from one instance to another. I know it’s been a hotly requested topic; hopefully it gets added at some point.
I wonder how that would work if an instance gets abruptly shut down. Maybe each time you make an account you get a ‘recovery key’ that you can link to your new account on a new instance, thereby taking ownership of your old posts (or at least the ones that got federated out of your old instance).
It’s temporary, so I’m not very fussed. It’s all just part of being in a Fediverse. I deliberately did not create an alt/back-up account, despite most people doing so. (Too likely to spend even more time online!) There are plenty of other community subscriptions to keep me busy even with the current defed.
Just about everything on mander.xyz is interesting. That’s a science and nature instance you could look into.
I must have missed a memo. Why did beehaw defederate with
lemmy.world/sh.itjust.works?I really want to like Lemmy, but if we can randomly lose access to content like that, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Details. Basically, there are four people running Beehaw and trying to moderate. Beehaw is not a Reddit replacement, nor is it a troll/free speech friendly place, by design. The intent is for Beehaw to be an open, but curated, instance. That’s why there is a sign up process.
Those two instances are both large and open sign up enabled, Lemmy today has extremely weak moderation tools compared to Reddit, there’s been a massive influx of traffic and Reddit users, and those two Instances are the place where many trolls are landing.
It’s temporary, but today the tools and infrastructure are not in place to maintain both open fed with these Instances and preserve the Beehaw identity.
It’s unfortunate that Beehaw started so many communities with such generic names with so few admins. The “beauty” of federation/lemmey/kbin aka “Reddit style” is that communities are supposed to be self-organizing and have their own representation/moderation.
I think the bigger problem is Beehaw decided to launch so many generic names copying Reddit’s busiest and most generic reddits without thinking through the moderationand traffic overhead.
it should be instances have their champion topics and they’re federated or if they have the manpower/technology and funding they can go for the big generic names.
I get why things were defederated - but blaming open registrations is a cop-out (a big lie… you can’t know people by their registration info). It was bad "systems thinking’ that led to an overwhelmed system that will continue to be overwhelmed.
I was subscribed to a lot of pretty niche communities on lemmy.world, so safe to say I’m disappointed in that regard. I’m happy the mods here are trying to make this place safer, but I think it would help to be able to make your own communities at some point.
I’m currently browsing for communities to replace those small ones that I lost hold of.
Would’ve been nice I’d there’d been some way to block users from those domains to access our stuff but still let us subscribe to theirs somehow.
That’s a good idea. Allow communities to choose if they are globally or locally subscribable.
Run your own instance and it becomes irrelevant.
Honestly, I wish this wasn’t necessary. This is the worst thing about federation, in my opinion - inter-instance politics results in one instance admin defederating from another and all of the users of that instance, who may have no knowledge of nor care about the reason for the defederation, have all of their subscriptions disrupted. It’d be nice if it didn’t remove already-subscribed communities, and instead just prevented them from showing up to other users under the Communities list / in the ‘All’ list.
It’ll be okay once the mod tools are improved.
It’s worth noting that Kbin is federating now; they’ve got over 100 pages of communities to scroll through.
Yeah, I’ve been exploring kbin a bit as well… I do miss having a dedicated app though.
Plus I like it here so it would be nice to keep this as my home base!
In case I was unclear, you can keep this as your home base, now - you can subscribe to kbin communities from Lemmy as of (I believe) yesterday afternoon.
True but actually using kbin instead gives access to both beehaw and lemmy.world for instance.
It’s pretty cool to have so many options. We can have one account that sees more instances, or several separate accounts that see all those instances, or create our own instance: population 1 that sees all.
Tangent:
I’m here through kbin, reading your post from beehaw. Reading “Now that we’re no longer linked …” made me go “We? I can see content from lemmy.world, sh.it, and beehaw just fine.”
Not trying to throw shade, just pointing out that even though the post absolutely recognizes the new landscape provided by the fediverse, it’s easy to stay in “old world” siloed modes of thinking.
I do not think anyone at Beehaw can see or interact with us in this thread on Kbin, so we may simply be talking into a void together.
Edit: disregard, apparently Beehaw can view and interact with us. If you’re reading this from Beehaw, I want you to know that I love you.
I believe that’s the case, yes. So Kbin/Lemmy.world, etc. still receive the content posted on beehaw, however beehaw doesn’t receive the content posted on Kbin/Lemmy.world. I guess this also makes it so that if anyone were to comment on this thread from another instance, we wouldn’t see their comments (unless they’re from beehaw or another instance that beehaw has federation enabled with)
edit: It seems that I was wrong, as clarified by @vaguerant below. Federation between kbin and beehaw is still active.
kbin has not been defederated from Beehaw, so interactions between those servers are continuing as normal. There’s lots of posts about how “we” are defederated from Beehaw on the kbin front page, but those aren’t coming from kbin itself, they’re just showing up on the kbin front page because they’re popular content in the threadiverse.
We (all of us, not a specific instance) should probably get into the habit of referring to our instances by name instead of just saying “us”, “we”, etc. because it causes exactly this kind of confusion when we don’t.
I don’t think I subbed to anything on those two instances, so I’m not affected at all. I only recently switched to subscribed on the front page too as default so if I missed anything from them, I haven’t noticed. Beehaw have grown large and active enough to make up most of my front page at this point.
I think out of all the federated subs I have, the active an interesting ones to me are coming out of programming.dev. I also sub to a few fediverse related ones, one of which actually posted about Beehaw’s decision to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.work. There were some takes that miss the point. There were also those who defended Beehaw’s decision too. It was interesting to see the interactions unfold.
Can you tell me how you switched your default to “Subscribed”? I can’t find the option.
Sure!
Go into your Settings, then scroll down until you see this section:
I’ve highlighted the option that you need to change to see your Subscribed communities’ posts
Hope that helps!
Don’t know why I couldn’t see it before lol. Thank you!
Honestly, it’s understandable. Personally, I find it poorly labelled and it’s wedged in between other options of nearly the same size.
