Umm… People have been using the phrase “Direct message (DM) me” since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn’t a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn’t control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.
Your logic is giving me the impression that you’re younger and didn’t go through these experiences.
No, the term PM has been around before DM was the norm. Forums generally used the term PM. Ironically, not remembering PMs being the term prior to DM is making me think you’re younger for not remembering it.
You’re right. Had to dig into my memory for this one and fact check myself.
IRC, BBS, and most forums (of the era) used PM or SP. MUCKs and a few other tools used Whisper. ICQ introduced “IM me”. Part of me remebers using the term “DM” for IRC messages, but I used IRC fairly regularly well into the 2010s.
However, the forum I spent a ton of my younger years on used “Direct Messages” which has likely polluted my memory. Since it was a technology related forum, that was probabaly a customization from the operator to distance everyone from the idea of “private” since everything was clear-text and unencrypted back then. That or I’m confusing “IM me” from the ICQ/AIM/MSN days.
Point being, nobody thought “PM” meant secure and not visible to the server operators back then. It just meant that only you, the recipient, server operators, and 1337 h4xx0rz could see your messages.
What a trip down edited memory lane that was. Thanks for fact checking me.
Neither have I. Generally if I want the impression of it being private, it will need to be encrypted and a whole skew of other criteria comes in. Still doesn’t change the fact that growing up they were referred to as “PM’s” for the first half of my life.
Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn’t look into what you were signing up for.
When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?
When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it’s a non-blizzard server?..
Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn’t mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.
Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company’s best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn’t have had bugs, ofc it has had.
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn’t read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you’re on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro’s repositories.
I refuse to use discord, it is basically malware. Selfhosting is the only way, and TS3 works great for that.
how is discord malware?
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They’re called direct messages, not private messages. They’re not tricking anyone into thinking anything lmao
No, but the entire point of renaming Private Messages to Direct Messages was exclusively so people would have the mindset you do.
Umm… People have been using the phrase “Direct message (DM) me” since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn’t a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn’t control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.
Your logic is giving me the impression that you’re younger and didn’t go through these experiences.
Actually I am not younger, DM’s had always been Private Messages to me up until Facebook/MySpace and more people began flocking to the internet.
No, the term PM has been around before DM was the norm. Forums generally used the term PM. Ironically, not remembering PMs being the term prior to DM is making me think you’re younger for not remembering it.
You’re right. Had to dig into my memory for this one and fact check myself.
IRC, BBS, and most forums (of the era) used PM or SP. MUCKs and a few other tools used Whisper. ICQ introduced “IM me”. Part of me remebers using the term “DM” for IRC messages, but I used IRC fairly regularly well into the 2010s.
However, the forum I spent a ton of my younger years on used “Direct Messages” which has likely polluted my memory. Since it was a technology related forum, that was probabaly a customization from the operator to distance everyone from the idea of “private” since everything was clear-text and unencrypted back then. That or I’m confusing “IM me” from the ICQ/AIM/MSN days.
Point being, nobody thought “PM” meant secure and not visible to the server operators back then. It just meant that only you, the recipient, server operators, and 1337 h4xx0rz could see your messages.
What a trip down edited memory lane that was. Thanks for fact checking me.
I have never been under the impression PMs were unreadable by the people operating the service I send them on.
Neither have I. Generally if I want the impression of it being private, it will need to be encrypted and a whole skew of other criteria comes in. Still doesn’t change the fact that growing up they were referred to as “PM’s” for the first half of my life.
Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn’t look into what you were signing up for.
When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?
When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it’s a non-blizzard server?..
Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn’t mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.
Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol
The “servers” are actually called “guilds” in the API.
Servers are just a marketing term
They’re called servers in the UI though. Also, confusingly, there is a new feature coming called guilds.
Huge RAM usage, wierd crashes, causes random lag in games, constant enshittification on-going. No thanks.
That’s not malware, that’s just a bad product
hyperbole, ever heard about it?
Can you use it in a sentence?
“Discord is bad product, hyperbolically said, it works like a malware.”
I am sorry but I was not paying attention, could you repeat that?
Isn’t TeamSpeak proprietary though?
Yes, but free
If you can’t audit the source code of the program, how do you know if TeamSpeak isn’t malware?
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company’s best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn’t have had bugs, ofc it has had.
If you can trust them not to do anything bad then they can trust you with the source
So you’re just trusting them to not do anything bad?
I know that discord is doing bad shit, so yes.
How often you read the source codes of your tool?
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn’t read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you’re on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro’s repositories.
So no closed source commerical product should ever exist? Discord is one too, I am just selecting one that I can control.