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    YouTube might be the biggest challenge yet given the extraordinary amount of storage needed to recreate it.

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      Its also getting the content creators onto the new platform. Thats a bigger challenge I think, without creators it’s a dead site really, and making videos is significantly more difficult than image or text posting.

      For storage, if we assume the format would be WebM at 1080p, 60fps and 20 minutes in length, it turns out to about 1GB. Even a cheap VPS instance usually offer 50GB of storage (with not too expensive storage upgrades).

      So if its distributed evenly, we can host a good bit of videos (nothing compared to YouTube though).

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        Let’s not forget that there’s money to be earned by being a youtube person. Creating a model that would make this possible in a federated approach would be bonkers as hell and probably just invite predatory dipshits who then lure creators with seemingly good offers and then start to hold them hostage in ways YouTube hasn’t dared so far.

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          Most professional YouTubers survive primarily off of Patreon support and sponsored videos. YouTube ads provide only a small fraction of what they earn. If they could increase their Patreon or sponsorship income by cross-posting to PeerTube, then they could be enticed to do so. The current issue there is that sponsors are going to want accurate analytics, and PeerTube isn’t going to be able to offer the kind of depth of audience analysis that YouTube can.

          The problem is, the cost of hosting videos – both in terms of storage and in terms of bandwidth – is kind of prohibitive. That part needs to be solved.

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    I literally have like 1TB of video stored on YouTube and privatized. Google is making $0 from my videos, but they still have to store them and have them available if I want to watch it (it’s all of my Twitch VODs). Meanwhile websites like Streamable perma-delete my 5MB video after it gets 0 views in 2 milliseconds.

    YouTube is a behemoth that will not be replaced.

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      I mean you’re right that YouTube isn’t going anywhere, but they’re going to either delete that data or start charging you for it at some point

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        I’m shocked they haven’t already. A good 95% of YouTube could be deleted and no one would notice, and would save Google millions and millions of dollars.

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          If they did that, I wouldn’t be able to find a fix for the fuel line getting kinked in my BG86 leaf blower. You know that video with 48 views that exactly solves the problem I am having? Same applies across basically every niche device or mechanical issue and is one of the primary reasons I find myself on youtube.

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    Peertube already exist. If you have to upload a video to show someone on the internet it’s already more convenient than youtube as you don’t have to login and access with google accounts.

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    I frankly don’t see a way for federated video to happen unless uploads are severely limited or it’s paywalled. Even with YouTube’s wild compression, you’re looking at several gigs for a single 4k video.

    Honestly the fact that YouTube exists is a miracle. Video is still just monstrously large.

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      Is size really the issue though? I can torrent more than I can store on my hard drives.

      Seems like you could build a video streaming service on that. (Actually I think some people already did this.)

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        Lbry does exactly this. Actually it works way better than the last time I checked it out. I’m guessing they have invested in a centralized storage solution because I’m encountering basically no missing videos and extremely fast playback which wasn’t the case the last time I checked them out a few years ago

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      Well, time to switch to watching Nebula?

      I can’t see how it will work for small-time creators though. Or for people who just want to show a video online.

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        I love nebula too. They’re definitely what I imagine federated video would be though. Restricted uploads, and paid. Nothing wrong with that though, video is expensive.

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          Well, one question is how it’d be paid for. You can’t really have a federated payment provider, can you?

          So would you have to pay for each separate server somehow, gathering them up like streaming service subscriptions?

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            You can’t really have a federated payment provider, can you?

            Not to sound like a crypto bro, but this is literally the biggest benefit of cryptocurrencies, easy transfer of money between people wallet to wallet, and you can choose your exchange to exchange the money between crypto and cash.

            Unfortunately crypto bros absolutely ruined crypto for everything it could’ve been

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    Yeah, no. The deaths of those websites have not happened yet, and when they do, the Fediverse will not be the one holding the scythe

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      Right, it’ll be death by suicides.

      Google should probably be on there too. Can’t find anything either non-corporate or irrelevant these days.

      I was looking for js libraries that extended the ecma array prototypes, Google gave me a billion pages about how to use the ecma array prototypes.

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    I would love a decentralized TikTok replacement. Aside from everybody’s privacy complaints, TikTok has a really addictive delivery model.

    I would think that short video clips would be easier to federate than beefy 4k video files.

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      I feel like addictive algorithms are a big part of what we need to get away from.

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    So for twitter it’s mastodon, for reddit it’s lemmy, for youtube odysee maybe, but what is it for facebook?

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      Mastodon -> Twitter

      Friendica -> Facebook

      Pixelfed -> Instagram

      Lemmy/kbin -> Reddit

      PeerTube -> Youtube

      Owncast -> Twitch

      FunkWhale/Castopod -> Music/Podcast

      BookWyrm -> Goodreads

      WriteFreely -> Blog

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        Now if we could somehow get LinkedIn. It will be the last core of evil pro corporatism.

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    I REALLY want there to be a better YT replacement on the fediverse or in some form of decentralized way.

    As people are pointing out, videos are very large files, and therefore very expensive to host. The fediverse can mitigate this a little bit, as everyone can host their own videos on their own server, but that’s not enough, and extremely inconvenient.

    I do wonder if the blockchain/torrents can be used here… I’m not a dev or anything so IDK how any of it really works, but I think something to that tune is gonna be the only way, since traditional servers don’t seem to be viable.