Fuck Putin
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No, not like that!!
Alina Kabaeva: «What do you mean not like that?»
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Ok, Karen.
Well the troll farms have found lemmy I guess
It’s unfortunate, but kinda inevitable. I’m sure there’s a graduate student somewhere whose thesis is on approximating the popularity and diversity of social platforms necessary before trolls swoop in.
Yup, lots of burger empire shills have come here from reddit now. We were doing fine without you.
Lol what?
Don’t feed him
“Putin tells ____ any _____ is attack on Russia” is basically a meme now
Belarus better stay within its boarders, because that the only way Belarus will be attacked.
I think after Poland ignored two Russian missiles, putin is thinking to use Wagner from Belarus to test and see what will happen if NATO country gets attacked. The normal answer would be that it would be war between Belarus and NATO. Which should be fairly quick. He is trying to tip the scale by saying Russia will be also back Belarus if attacked (BTW Hitler also stated WW2 claiming Poland attacked Nazi Germany), hoping that NATO won’t back up Poland.
I’m pretty sure Ukraine said those were their missiles.
Indeed they were. Ukrainian S-300 missiles, they probably malfunctioned and went off in a random direction.
Nope, they didn’t. That’s what was the interesting thing about it.
NATO said they were Ukrainian. Ukrainians stayed adament they were russian. Ukraine didn’t even apologize to Poland for their (allgedly) missile killing two polish citizens.
That’s what made clear to me that it was indeed a russian missile, and NATO covered it up because they didn’t want to intervene. Which is also why they denied Ukrainain specialists access to the impact site for days.
I’m going off the deep end a bit here, but reports started off with two missiles. I thought it must have been a Ukrainian AA missile chasing a Russian cruise missile, with the Russian missile responsible for the deaths.
Then news suddenly shut up about the second missile, and started selling it as one Ukrainian missile.
I wouldn’t be surprised it was covered up so NATO didn’t get tested.
Thing is, every line Russia has drawn in the sand, accession to NATO, arms supplies to Ukraine etc have been proven to be empty words. Russia has backed off each time.
An attack on Poland from Belarus would quickly lead to an invasion from Poland. Securing Ukraine’s northern border would free up a lot of Ukrainian resources and would put NATO soldiers in another neighboring country to Russia.
It would be suicide for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
No, Putin. An attack on Belarus is only an attack on Belarus. Someone would have to attack Russia for it to be an attack on Russia. Look at a fucking map.
(Yes, I’m being obtuse, but giving this asshole a hard time makes me smile. Cut me some slack.)
It helps to actually learn about the subject before opining on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State
edit: fun to see how people downvoting ultimately show that they’re just in a cult where facts don’t matter to them
edit: fun to see how people downvoting ultimately show that they’re just in a cult where facts don’t matter to them
Lmfao, that, coming from you, is truly hilarious. “The pot calling the kettle black” doesn’t even begin to cover it.
Factual information to you lot is like garlic to a vampire 😂
It’s called a joke. Get over it.
The real joke here is you embodying the ignorant American stereotype
Putin’s standup act is very funny. He should quit his day job & take it up fulltime.
Idk, last guy who laughed at him had his country invaded.
Putin’s been invading Ukraine since 2014. His 3-day special operation is going on for 514 days, had him running from a mutiny (I need a ride,not ammo!), has killed 241,330 Russians, has the Kerch bridge opening and closing like a fucking accordion, and is a global criminal. And all against a country with no nukes, no navy, barely an airforce, a tenth of Russia’s defense budget, and 28 times smaller than Russia.
He’s losing so badly, the whole world’s laughing at him.As I said earlier, Putin’s standup act is very funny.
The 3-day myth was entirely a gaffe by the stupid general Milley. I’m not even going to address the other sci-fi numbers you blurted out as they are santa claus type of fantasy.
get lost, tankie.
Oh no, I’m shaking in my boots. It sure would be a shame if the might of the Russian military invaded my country. They’re having trouble invading a small, neighboring nation by land, but I should totally fear them crossing an ocean to invade a nation that has an objectively superior military. Maybe if I defend him online, Putin will spare me. Notice me, Putin-san! uwu.
“notice me, Putin-san! uwu” yog probably
So is Belarus going to attack Poland now or is Putin planning a false flag attach again?
I think it’s probably Wagner was moved there for that reason and putin wants to test if alliance will be afraid to reason.
If NATO responds then he sacrifices just Belarus, but if it won’t then other eastern countries are at risk.
This night for the first time Polish regular soldiers fired on our territory. Since 5:45 a.m. we have been returning the fire, and from now on bombs will be met by bombs.
Can you cite a source?
Edit: thanks for the sources
It is from a famous speech of Hitler that marked the beginning of the second world war.
This was fragment of Hitler’s speech on September 1st, 1939.
https://carolynyeager.net/gleiwitz-%E2%80%9Cfalse-flag%E2%80%9D-incident-pure-fiction
That’s one very weird source you’re linking.
Liberal citing Hitler. Checks out.
Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.
Explains why western geniuses got into a land war with Russia once again. Checks out.
As far as I remember history tells us that liberal governments turned fascists.
Nazi party was as socialist as North Korea is democratic
I don’t know where you get the idea from that I’ve said the Nazis were socialists, and I don’t know where you get the idea that social democracies, a.k.a. liberal democracies, a.k.a. dictatorship of the bourgeoisie are socialists. Again, as far as I remember, history tells us that the bourgeois governments are the ones who turn fascist. History repeats itself: Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.
I have a suspicion of what is going on in Putin’s head:
- 2021/early 2022, he thought his military was amazing and could take Ukraine in 3 days
- that went horribly wrong, russian tanks and other weapons exploded all over
- only two options: western weapons are incredibly better than russian weapons, or russian generals are incompetent
- fire generals left and right over 2022, it doesn’t really get any better
- winter break
- 2023, the long dreaded Ukrainian counter offensive is coming
- West has given Ukraine only a handful of weapons, not enough for a sweeping, brutal offensive
- Ukrainian offensive stalls
- Putin’s advisors show him the same destroyed Bradley and Leopard 2 tanks all over, from different angles
- “Holy shitballs russian weapons aren’t inferior to western weapons, it really was just stupid generals, we really destroyed hundreds of NATO tanks”
- fuck yeah, with that sorted out I can take on the baltics and Poland
Can’t wait for Season 2. Season 2 has been confirmed, right?
Putin says a lot of stupid shit he’s incapable
of doing, why would this be different?I’m not up to snuff on NATO regulations. As I understand it, if a NATO nation gets attacked, the rest of them are obliged to defend, correct? What happens if that nation is “the aggressor”. Like in this situation if Poland were to do a first strike against Belarus or Russia and they respond attacking Poland, is the rest of NATO obliged to help defend Poland?
No, NATO doesn’t interfere if a member starts a war. It’s a defensive treaty. That said, Poland alone wouldn’t be able to do much, and democracies rarely openly declare war.
I had a deployment with Polish soldiers. They are a modern and extremely capable defensive force. It would likely turn into the same thing we’re seeing in Ukraine (smaller force that is well trained and better supplied vs sending a lot of bodies and old tech). I don’t think we’ll ever see a Polish led force invading Belarus or Russia without a massive NATO backing and a lot of foreign units already on the way to support them. Defensively, they will fuck you up. Offensively, they don’t have the man power to go deep into enemy territory.
The Polish have historical grudges with Russia and are chomping at the bit to hurt some Russians. It is probably NATO that is holding them back from sending units to Ukraine
However what if a NATO country starts a war with Belarus, and then Russia attacks the NATO country?
The NATO country would never have initiated a war with Russia, they would have initiated it with Belarus.
Does a NATO country automatically become vulnerable if they have any wars currently ongoing? Because that would mean Russia could have attacked America during the war in Afghanistan and NATO would not have been able to get involved.
It’s probably a case where Russia could attack Poland’s forces in Belarus but attacking Polish soil would involve article 5.
The way it works is that the attacked country invokes article 5. If the country does it then other members are obligated to help. If they don’t, they are undermining NATO.
Having said that, NATO doesn’t specify how countries supposed to respond. It could be something to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War
I think putin sending Wagner to Belarus is indeed thinking to force Belarus to attack Poland or a Baltic states and see what happens. Of course that would be simple, it would be Belarus vs NATO, and would end up quickly.
So he is tipping the scale and saying that attacking Belarus will be also attacking Russia, hoping that it will be ignored like two Russian missiles hitting Poland. If it won’t be ignored, then he is just sacrificing Belarus.
As long as an attack happens on NATO territory, it’s considered an act of war. Even if the NATO country is the aggressor. Ideally the aggressing country would be suspended before they could invoke article 5.
Unless there is a cover up like happened with those Russian missiles that hit Poland.
Is it only me or does Putin look really bad in this photo? I mean he seems unhealthy and in addition to that he looks like he aged 10 years in just 2. Amazing speedrun.
Cool, now do Biden.
edit: I see I hit a nerve 😂
At this point they should just annex Belarus.
There’s a reasonable argument to be made that if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, we use similarly sized nuclear weapons on Belarus. It’s the only non-escalatory, tit-for-tat response we have.
If retaliatory nuclear weapons are on the table, why would we launch them at Belarus instead of at Moscow? Not saying we should use nukes, btw. I would think that a better response to Putin nuking Ukraine would be a more precise attack against Putin himself and senior officers involved in greenlighting a nuclear attack on Ukraine. We can’t just go eye for an eye when it comes to tens of thousands of civilians. We need to ensure no more dead innocents, not give them the same number of dead innocents. Especially because people like Putin just straight up don’t give a shit about civilians, including the ones on his side. He’s a sociopath who cares only about what benefits him personally, so nuking Belarus accomplishes nothing.
Attacking Russia mainland or Russian leadership is an instant ticket to global nuclear annihilation.
We need an option that shows we are not afraid to use nuclear weapons, but nor are we willing to escalate. A proportional response in the only option we have, unless we believe we’ve reached the end-game, in which case there can be no precision strike or small escalation; then go all in, launch everything now, all at once.
So, what options do we have that mirrors what Russia might do in Ukraine. Can’t be North Korea, they are nuclear-armed themselves and would mean pulling Japan or South Korea into the exchange.
The only ally Russia have that are semi-implicated in the war, with Russian assets that at the same time aren’t full-bloodied Russian state-troops, are Wagner in Belarus.
So, two nukes in Ukraine from Russia = two nukes on Wagner in Belarus.
Why do you think nuking Russia would be unacceptable in the hypothetical situation of Russia instigating by launching a nuclear attack against Ukraine first? Why do you think that only we are responsible for being mindful of mutually assured destruction in the event that Russia is the first to use a nuclear strike in this war?
Why do you think Putin gives a shit about Belarus? Why do you think Putin gives a shit about Wagner, a group that recently planned to march on Moscow to engage in a coup? What am I missing here?
Do you understand that a nuclear strike on Ukraine means nuclear fallout kicked up into the atmosphere? And that wind will definitely carry that fallout into NATO airspace? And that this would be recognized as an attack upon NATO which would trigger article 5?
Russia is making incredibly stupid decisions, but I don’t think even they are dumb enough to launch a nuke at Ukraine. At a time when they already appear to be villainous weaklings, this would just invite direct action to ensure complete destruction of Russia. So far in this campaign, they’ve only seen the results of a few allies donating weapons, ammunition, and training to Ukraine to use in defense; imagine all branches of militaries of the west directly involved in an offensive with the goal of showing the world what happens when you nuke our ally without cause.
If they launch a nuke in this war, it should be viewed for what it is: the frustrated whimpering of a dying nation, desperately gasping for breath while its lungs fill with blood.
I don’t think nuking Russia is unacceptable. I think the step beyond even a single nuke landing inside Russian borders will lead to doomsday annihilation for all. So if you’re going down that route, go 110% all out. There’s no point thinking we can contain Russia’s response. They will then respond by nuking a western NATO ally, or America itself. After that we’re in, feet first. So if we go down that route I’m saying we might as well start where we end up as that will maximise our chances of having some/any population surviving the exchange.
My suggestion to respond with a nuclear attack on Belarus is based on reciprocal response if Russia uses a nuclear weapon inside Ukraine. They bomb an ally of ours. We bomb an ally of theirs. Same yield, same count, same distance to Russian border to bring about same consequences on Russia.
The aim in this case would be to show that we will follow Russia up the nuclear ladder but that we don’t intend to START a nuclear holocaust.
