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    How about: No arms deals with any entity that indiscriminately murders innocent people, women, and children?

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    I’m still not seeing why Israel is being treated as a priority over or at least equal to Ukraine. Ukraine is up against a legitimately strong adversary using human wave tactics. Israel is dropping bombs seemingly indiscriminately on mostly civilians. Ukraine is fighting for its existence. Israel is getting revenge on its much, much weaker neighbor.

    If Iran and its proxies enter the war, that might change the calculations, but that hasn’t happened yet.

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      Israel is also rich as fuck with a strong military. They do not need financial support.

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      And the more support Israel gets to kill those civilians the more likely sympathetic regional neighbours would be inclined to join. And rightly so. It’s genocide.

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      Agreed. Even if Iran enters the war, it will be to stop a genocide. I don’t understand why the US is so keen to tie themselves to Netanyahu’s government.

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        US and Isntreal share the same settler colonial ideology and history. Native Americans or Palestinians, its all about genociding the “uncivilised tribal hordes” to make space for themselves.

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        Yeah, Iran is known as a moral beacon in the region, holding up human rights.

        The only reason they would enter a war is, of course, to stop a so called genocide

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      Ukraine was never about Ukraine. It was about NATO’s attempt to balkanise Russia, as said by US ex-VP Dick Cheney. It was about the attempted CIA coup during 2003 Orange protests, which failed, and another CIA attempt at 2013 Euromaidan protests, which succeeded, overthrowing sovereignty and democracy, installing US puppet, installing biochemical factories for genocide attempt against Russia, and to make more money for military weapons industry.

      It was all about USA using Ukraine as a condom to fuck with Russia, and the whole NATO failed in unison.

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      We have already given the Ukraine over a 100b in funds. We don’t need to give them anymore. I also don’t want us to give aid to anyone.

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      They would fold under even the littlest bit of BDS, but that’s not going to happen because the US sees themselves in Israel.

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        Thus why nearly every state has made it illegal for any company that works with the government to be BDS-positive.

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      Biden said something like: “If there was no Israel, we’d have to invent it.”

      The US loves having a highly militarized, violent, totally amoral and 100% US-dependent proxy next to all those oil fields. The last thing the US wants is peace in the middle east. This is just divide-and-conquer 101.

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      Isntreal is not controlling USA, its the opposite. USA sees a microcosm of their own in Isntreal, sharing the exact same kind of genocide and settler colonisation, be it Native Americans or indigenous Palestinians.

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    I get why - congress is increasingly useless - but there’s obvious accountability problems there.

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    I can’t believe how many shitlibs there are in here, using this opportunity to guilt people with an actual conscience into voting for this piece of shit as if he has some sort of moral high ground.

    What is the lesser evil when both the DNC and the GOP work directly for the exact same military industrial complex?

    The real villain here is the system that makes any party outside of the two party system completely irrelevant: first-past-the-post.

    We have two Republican parties. One of them just so happens to pretend better at being inclusive…but they secretly also wish that the poor could be burned to fuel their mega-yachts.

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      This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don’t let both being neo-liberal blind you.

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        Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

        To me, it sounds a whole lot like both Biden AND Trump can be considered fascists….especially with this idea of secret military aid to Israel that I’m reacting to here.

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          Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie

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            I’d actually argue that Trump comes from the real estate bourgeoisie but I agree on the Biden characterization. Biden never saw an MBNA donor contribution that he didn’t love (like in 2008 when he sold all future generations out for a $250,000 payout from MBNA).

            I just don’t see how real estate wealth translates to industry. In general, many of Trump’s areas don’t fully align with the Republican establishment who, in my observation, generally are from real estate, energy, and industry as you mentioned.

            Thinking about it more, it seems like real estate has a lot of overlap in both parties.

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        Both are fascist, the only difference is where the fascism is pointed. That’s why you’ll see a lot of fake leftists support Biden, because they don’t care about the world all they care about are themselves.

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      I do not think its “both are Republicans”, but both are centre-right neoliberal capitalist parties. I like to call them two wings of US Nazi Eagle.

      Neoliberals have a very basic set of beliefs, like “rich=successful”, “leech and ignore the poor”, “capitalise on anything possible”, “be a both sides weasel” and so on.

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            Calling out libshit isn’t spewing hate and vitriol, thin-skinned cracker. If you want to be passively fascist without any pushback, go back to reddit. Or better yet, take this as an opportunity to grow as a person and realize that your world view is not only unpopular, it’s also evil.

            You don’t get to suppress ideas that threaten your ego, that’s not how things work here.

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        Oh no! I mean poopoo libs for those that can’t handle a little reality on neoliberalism. Ps. I’m not name calling. I’m making a point. BrooklynDad and Charlotte Clymer are examples of DNC shitlib’s from Twitter that did the exact same two party guilt trip.

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            Your neoliberalism brings to Lemmy the worst toxicity from Twitter. Hold your head in shame.

            I had missed being gaslighted by mature adults that also just so happened to be on the Progressive Policy Institute’s astroturfing payroll about being a horrible piece of shit if I didn’t hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils that screw their constituents in exactly the same way as the “bad guys” but do it with a smile. Go tell David Brock to transfer you to a new department.

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                Did you forget that I can see your comment history? I’m going to do the right thing and block you once you read this. Please try to keep in mind that you are a supposed leftist who likes to shame other leftists who aren’t willing to compromise like you are. If you consider me toxic for pointing that out, maybe go touch some grass and sign off for a while.

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        You can instantly spot the pro-fascist pro-Russia tankies by this single word. And the comments just ooze peak toxicity while trying to act like some moral authority. They literally can’t help themselves but call names because I’m pretty sure 99% of them are actually children

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          I’m a tankie!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

          🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

          If you care about nuance, I’m a libertarian socialist/anarcho syndicalist (Chomsky-ite) who thinks that democratic socialism MIGHT POSSIBLY lead to a more just society than the corruption extravaganza that we have. Sue me if I don’t fit the tech bro libertarian Jordan Peterson fanboi or fake leftist IT guy archetype that comprises the rest of the Lemmy population.

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            Nuance nonces on their way to defend nazi war criminals.

            Sorry, it’s the rules. I have to post that everyone someone uses that word.

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    I don’t like this trend! War movies in 10-20 years will be boring. No Rambos, no Schwarzeneggers, no Spielberg and Tom Hanks emotional patriotism! No funny casual racism, no casual homophobia, no casual misoginy… Did Mark Hamil play a terrorist in Star Trek after all? The End of an Era. We’re gonna have to watch films about how a bribed White House politicant struggles to keep up with weapon manufacture demands while managing to convince his wife not to divorce him because she feels neglected since he’s never at home… directed by Clint Eastwood.

    That’s boring. I’m out!

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      Genocide is illegal (I think, it’s kinda blurry for decades now). Don’t see those people concerned about it. I don’t think these people care about law. They bend it to their will, like they do with their tax-paying citizenry who vote and pay for them.

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      Genocide is illegal (I think, it’s kinda blurry for decades now). Don’t see those people concerned about it. I don’t think these people care about law. They bend it to their will, like they do with their tax-paying citizenry who vote and pay for them.

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    Here is the evidence for all the people that think Democrats are angels and Republicans are devils. Both parties are two wings of US Nazi Eagle, and both have caused wars for 232 out of the 247 years USA has existed.

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      Not quite true. Israel gets a lot of support from the US government because it’s a useful ally.

      It’s the vanguard in the coveted Middle Eastern region (lots of oil) that is incidentally hated by everyone around them so you can easily use their status to provoke proxy wars, then invade and claim plausible deniability by saying you just helped out your ally.

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      Nah fam. Miss me with that nonsense. Why would a tiny nation control the US? They have influence with American interests in many ways, but control it? It makes no sense. The only position that this would make sense from is the same antisemetic cabal bullshit. A small group controls the world alright. The wealthy, most of whom are white Christians. They control things, not Jews.

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    But during some of those conversations, managers have told staffers they should not expect to influence U.S. policy on Israel-Palestine regardless of their national security chops, according to five current and one recently departed State Department officials who talked to HuffPost.

    Keep in mind, that Biden has asked for a humanitarian cease fire in Gaza. This information is like fresh of last night, so I don’t expect news agencies to catch up fast.

    It looks like Biden is lagging behind public opinion on this one, but he is turning course.

    What that means going forward will depend on how much aid is let in Gaza by Israel.

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      Biden is specifically avoiding the term “cease-fire”:

      The White House has refused to call for a cease-fire but has signaled that the Israelis should consider humanitarian pauses to allow civilians to receive aid and for foreign nationals trapped on the strip to leave Gaza.

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      Asking for a cease fire to move people out. Nothing about them being able to return to their homes or land.

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        Hitting the breaks on this whole mess is the first step. I will most certainly not call this a victory for just beginning.

        But at least now the people in power understand that this is a problem. Versus the previous mindset of:" kill all humans, full speed ahead."

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          Forcing people out of their homes so that they can be occupied by Israel isn’t hitting the brakes, it’s accelerating it.

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      It’s like the war on drugs but worse. Technically the US doesn’t really have a horse in the race so to speak. I doubt that the USA, nor the oil giants across the Middle East are inclined to involve themselves in a potential paradigm shift of global politics into WW3 directly after the disaster that was Trump’s election loss and subsequent social disorder.

      Personally although I feel like a one state secular, democratic solution but with multiple internal use passports would suit the whole lot of them better. If you choose to carry card X y or z you become the subject to a different set of religious rules return unique benefits. You can theoretically try to carry all three but you’re going to have a hard time computing let alone complying with all of the religious rules all the time.

      If we ignore the humanitarian issue of the bombings so to speak, because war, like hell is a gift in itself by all measures, I think the fairest solution would simply be for the most stable, responsible and directly involved guy in the room - Benny boy, to pay up and fix his own shit he’s created by actually building more homes and infrastructure on both sides of the fence and giving the Palestinians a card printing system, redraw the lines on the map and let them decide their own laws, rather than kicking people out of their homes and bulldozing stuff without a plan, creating a system of displacement which realistically nobody wants, just to let the terrorists come back and make pipe bombs and other weapons from the scraps.

      Hopefully someone found my verbal diarrhoea to be constructive