Seriously, what Israel is doing today is no different from what the Nazis did before and at the beginning of World War II, extreme nationalism, illegal expansion, annexation of foreign territory claiming it historically belongs to them, propaganda using the latest technology, terrorizing neighbors, military at the center of society.
IMO it’s because the western oligarchs are making bank selling military tech to israel.
This is it. Israel is too profitable for them to detox from. They get to test out sick new tech to spy on and abuse their citizens, they get to put pressure on nations in the surrounding area with resources they want, and just the sheer amount of money selling weapons in general.
It’s one of the most lucrative grifting exercises the western nations have ever designed.
I wonder how much the “ignore your genocide” fee is.
Pretty big, when you consider AIPAC* and propaganda. https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=65051
And getting land and other natural resources, likely.
What land? The booby trapped gravel pit that used to be Gaza? Nobody wants that.
Why would you say something so devoid of public knowledge or forethought? Settlers want it, because they claim it. Trump is talking about Trump Resort there.
Also, climate change isn’t going to be too kind to the area
Since other Westerners are paying, it’s not actually a net gain.
Being a Nazi is not only not banned in most countries, in some like the US it’s explicitly legal (i.e. “Freedom of Speech”). That said, it is (kinda) banned in Germany, yet they are still around over here, because you can’t ban people from believing in stuff.
All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh. Israel’s recent actions are very unpopulat in the west, even though most people are not even affected by them in the slightest. Many of the people who protest them probably have no direct connection to Israel or Gaza. So what’s the goal of a ban even?
I can only speak for Germany, but here an Israeli sniper and alledged murderer fled the country, bacause he is being persecuted for warcrimes, i.e. the murder of civilians. You also cannot call for the extermination of anyone without riscing consequences. This does not prevent people from being Nazis, Zionists or anything else. It just sanctions them for publicly expressing it.
‘All a state can do is to try and prevent them from gaining too much traction, and I do not feel like Zionism has all that much tbh.’
Are you serious? Just look around you ffs.
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Buying a house is legal, but annexing and building on occupied territory is illegal according to international law.
if you frame it that way, no, but if you take into account the open terrorism of irguin, the murders and ethnic cleansing of the nakba, 80 years of apartheid and casual killing, and the genocide since 2023, its all crimes for 80 years. So try again with the framing of the problem.
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“The arabs”
You know you’re a fascist when you think an entire race of people are an undifferentiated hivemind who share collective guilt and can be collectively punished. Also justifying genocide and terrorism with “they started it!”
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Found the zionist! You need to read up on the history of Palestine, rather than echo israeli hasbara.
Try ‘A Very Short History of the Israel-Palestine Conflict’ by Ilan Pappe to start 🙂.
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Yes I can. Do you drive a volkswagen, btw?
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Unless a Palestinian tries to do it, of course.
Looking at America, obviously Nazism isn’t banned, we have elected a ton of the fuckers.
Nazism is only outright banned in a few democratic countries. Even in ones where it is, like Germany, there are parties that skirt around it, like AfD. Who are getting uncomfortably popular, BTW.
It’s very hard to actually ban an ideology even in heavily authoritarian countries. Doubly so when it’s something that’s really hard to define, like Fascism. And no, the Ur-fascism paper isn’t even the final word on that subject.
Because being involved in international politics at the state level has a similarly effect on one’s morals as the One Ring
Because Zionism is not per se a problematic thing let alone comparable to Nazism. It’s basically the idea that Jews should have their own nation in any form or shape. It’s a national liberation movement.
What Netanjahu and his racket is making out of it is Religious or Revisionist Zionism specifically. And it’s at least slightly problematic comparing that to Nazism as well.
t’s basically the idea that Jews should have their own nation in any form or shape.
Honestly I don’t see how ethnonationalism is a positive idea no matter what the ethnicity is
So no Palestine?
Is the idea of Palestine an ethnonationalist one, though?
Palestine as such describes the whole region of which Gaza, the Westbank and Israel are part of and historically includes a lot more people than just one specific group. Even Arab Jews who predate the arrival of many of Israels current populations ancestors.
The partition of the land was ment to create a state for Jewish people on the one hand and a state made up out of leftovers for everyone else living in the region. And everyone else is more than just “the Palestinians”.
I mean, there’s also the whole issue of the planned site for the state being occupied, and not even wanting to share with the original inhabitants.
Less problematic than Nazism, though? Sure.
I mean, before starting with Zyclon-B, also the Nazis wanted the Jews to just move to Madagascar.
So I really just see a temporal offset.
It’s not uncommon for ethnic conflicts in general, but there’s a lot of extra dimensions in the Nazi case. The Jewish conspiracy that handed WWI to the Entante, and was also behind communism somehow, was always a centerpiece of their whole ideology. And obviously, Nazis didn’t just go after Jews. They make up about half of the Holocaust and are dwarfed by random war casualties, often civilian. If they won the plan was to kill a good share of all Slavs and bring back slavery for the rest.
There’s nobody more recent I’d say are on the same tier except maybe ISIS.
If you want to count official Hamas members as military opponents, civilian casualties in Gaza dwarf the ones of WWII in ratio.
Also, while I am not so knowledgeable about the Zionist mythos, I know that other territories and populations, which Israel already attacked repeatedly, are meant to be subjugated in the larger plan.
I guess we can all agree that getting to see how far they can resemble the nazis is not an itch we should scratch.
If you want to call Gaza an open air concentration camp, you can’t really use it for war casualties. If you compare Israeli operations in Syria or Iran with anything the Nazis did, they look pretty good again.
There’s plenty of less extreme analogies to use. Rwanda would be more defensible.
I know that other territories and populations, which Israel already attacked repeatedly, are meant to be subjugated in the larger plan.
Religious Zionists want control of all historical Hebrew areas. What they think that is varies wildly within the movement. Subjugation of the entire Middle East or whole Muslim world is where things are going if Israel is never stopped, but nobody’s claiming a right to it at this point. Jordan or Sinai are more the ones you hear about as external ambitions.
In origins section, there were widespread European establishment plans for “solving the Jewish problem” 50 years before Hitler. Hitler’s demonization of Jews was based on WW1 German Zionist treason of Germany with US/UK lobbying to join war, and Communist movement figureheads. What was anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe based on in the 1870s?
I mean, Jews were prohibited from having most reputable high jobs and the only thing that matched the Torah and was allowed in Christian (maybe later Catholic) Europe was money lending.
In Rome, my parents’ generation still calls stingy people “giudío” meaning Jew, since of course they were bound to be more attached to money and less prone to charity than most.
From having that reputation and managing lots of debt, to having the finger pointed at, it’s an easy quick step.
However, the problem is that these extremist influences are not a new occurrence in Zionism but have been a part of it since the beginning of the political movement. The question of how to deal with the fact there was basically no habitable place on earth left uninhabited to found a state in, was answered very differently by different parts of the movement.
depends entirely on how you see the concept of zionism. If you limit it to jews thinking they need a homeland, fine. It you think it means they need a homeland and it needs to be where a bunch of people already live now, then thats clearly a huge problem. Ben Gurion said it had to be on the site of the old kingdom, and the people there needed to be driven out. Thats ethnic cleansing and it has led to genocide and untold oppression and crimes against humanity. Its currently worse than the nazis because the rank and file israelis know exactly the severity of crimes going on in their name, which was not the case for nazi germany.
That last part is historically false and a bad comparison.
Well, in the end its not going to be up to you how this ends. So think whatever hasbara nonsense you want.
It’s easy to just call things you disagree with “Hasbara”, right?
yes, it is easy to call supporters of war crimes and mass murder Hasbara, its true.
Capitalist countries rarely enforce their policies on right wing extremism. Fascism is a guard dog of capital they think they can keep leashed. In the 20th century that guard dog was pointed east so that it could harm the communists which threatened capital then. Today that guard dog is used to control resources in west asia and hide the dirtier work of imperialism that the west doesn’t want as seen on their hands. They can’t ban zionism because they need Israel and zionism is foundational to Israel.
Nazism isn’t “banned” per se, at least in the U.S. as the First Amendment does not allow for viewpoint discrimination, however repugnant a viewpoint might be. But the First Amendment does not protect against cultural, social, or other forms of non-government backlash for those who support disgusting ideologies like Nazism.
So there is no “banning” that could take place of the Zionist viewpoint, if we were to consider it on par with Nazism. By and large in the U.S., Zionism and Nazism are not seen as equally repugnant viewpoints in the cultural landscape, hence the difference in how supporters of these views are treated. Hope that makes sense.
Because those same countries were never ideologically opposed to fascism in the first place. America was a major inspiration for Hitler, namely in its jim crow laws and eugenics. Before world war 2, America loved Hitler. And the western powers are the reason why Zionism exists as an influential ideology to begin with. Britain gave the land for zionists to colonize to begin with. All of these same countries also committed the same atrocities themselves when colonizing places like the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Liberal governments have never been opposed to colonialism, genocide, or fascism.
because Nazis was the enemy and declared war on them while Zionists are the west allies.
AIPAC
That explains US for sure along with large number of Jewish billionaires and useful idiots who cosplay Christians
I didn’t realize how ZIO vermin managed to infest germa by and uk. Shit is wild both essentially go against their self interest and purported value to accommodate the Israeli jews’ right to he genocide Arabs, some of which are even Christians
Nazism isn’t even banned. Just look at all the fucking nazis in the governments of the world.
The only illegal group I am aware of, in the states anyway, is the KKK. And they still fuckin’ exist too! 😬
Zionism unlike the Nazis is not a threat to western democracy. They want a Jewish state in the Middle East, which is not part of the West. As long as the West is not involved, it usually does nothing or just some arms export bans on the countries and some sanctions on leaders. Currently that is happening in Sudan, which is about as bad as Gaza, but has really nothing to do with the West. There is nothing about it in the news at least in the West.
The real intressting part is more that the West is not sitting on the sitelines, but is somewhat aiding Israel. It obviously depends on the country and some do not do it at all. However even so, you see Western countries moving away from Israel. All but the US that is.
The only thing that might be “surprising” for some in the support for Israel by Governments in the West (not to be confused with the general population, which just about everywhere seems to be far more anti-Genocide than the politicians) is how it massivelly contrasts which the last decades of talk of Freedom & Democracy from the politicians as well as the long running official posture towards the last bunch of Genocidal Ethno-Fascists - the NAZIs - which was mainly justified on their ethnic cleansing atrocities.
For those who all along were suspicious of the former words being nothing more than self-serving propaganda from some Western nations to excuse them de facto imposing their will on the people of other lands, usually to take their stuff (most commonly, Oil), and the latter being the useful parts of the truth whilst the inconvenient parts (like, for example, how Churchill himself was a Genocider or how the US profited from the War and only really entered it because of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor) were as much as possible not talked about, none of what’s going on is surprising, except perhaps the pleasant surprise of the reactions of the actual population (not the politicians, especially not the governing ones) in several such countries, often going against the will of the power elites and the heavy propaganda being deployed to convince them otherwise (for example, for all the Genocide-support of the UK Government and the BBC, not that long ago there was a demonstration with half a million Britons against the Genocide - think about it: 1.5% of the British population came out in a demonstration which is entirelly for the good of somebody else, not themselves, so 100% a question of Principle).
The politicians in general are and always have been Sociopaths, but on this which is a massive issue of Moral and Principle (it’s hard to come up with a stronger issue of Moral and Principle than the mass murder of children), most of the population are not Sociopaths nor are they following the Sociopaths, even in those countries were they are swamped by pro-Genocide Propaganda, some of which quite subtle and using techniques from Psychology to try and manipulate people’s perceptions.
Because up until recently Zionists weren’t committing a genocide
IMO all religion that says you’re entitled to shit should be banned from practicing publicly
And it would be easier and more fair to just ban all orginized religion
This is the reason.
I think there’s an argument that they’ve been slowly committing one since 1948 or even prior, but things have accelerated recently and the world seems to actually be aware of it now.
Well, at least in the US, Israel “donates” money via groups like AIPAC to politicians and scores them lucrative business deals in return for political favors and financial aid to Israel, using taxpayer money.
Which they turn around and give a part of it back to the politicians in their next bribe. It’s massively profitable for both Israel and the US politicians, as well as the military contractors who make the weapons the US “sells” to Israel.
In short, Israel helps US politicians embezzle taxpayer money legally for their personal gain.
This genocide really brought home how brainwashed I was by the likes of AIPAC.
