Bernie is 100% right now, we can’t count on the Dems in DC. The working class is going to have to fight this one.

It’ll require a lengthy grassroots effort from the working class any its allies. At the moment, anything you can think to do is the right thing to do until a proper movement coalesces. Get out and try things. And bring your friends along for the effort. That’s how movements like this get going.

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    You’re not fighting for a utopia? Well then…

    WhY dO yOu SuPpOrT gEnOcIdE???

    Then trump happens and here we are…

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      Seems like continuing to kill babies was more important than getting elected for Democrats. They had the polling on the issue and chose to continue doing it.

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        You mean the “rights of women”? I’m sure you’ve heard all of the arguments already, but here we go:

        • 99% of pregnanies are performed before 20 weeks. Typically right around the time it’s been discovered.
        • Anything beyond that is almost always due to the loss of the child or discovery of a fetal abnormality.
        • Restricting abortion limits personal freedom, disproportionately affects low-income women, and can force individuals into unsafe medical situations or unwanted pregnancies that impact their lives, careers, and families.

        There is no good reason to restrict abortions. The world is not a better place when unwanted children are brought into it, especially when the people that are pushing to ban it don’t want to offer any sort of governmental assistance to deal with said child. It almost feels like the intent isn’t to help the baby, that it’s more of a punishment for the woman for being “immoral”.

        The reason why the “elite” want to ban it is because it easily destroys your potential to get ahead. They don’t want an educated populace, they want a multitude of dumb, cheap labor, and restricting abortion is an extremely easy way to get that. Also by getting conservatives to hyperfixate on this issue (and things like LGBTQ rights), it draws attention away from wealth inequality, labor right, and other systemic issues.

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            Ah, that reads exactly like, “Democrats need for abortion (i.e. killing babies) was more important than winning.”

            My bad! 😆

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        …and the polling didn’t match your mood. That doesn’t mean it’s ok but doesn’t make you correct either.

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          Did their polling tell them to go around the country with Liz Cheney? Did their polling tell them to have a giant rally in Texas? Did their polling tell them to piss off the Teamsters? They either didn’t want to win, or they’re incompetent, and they need to start looking at themselves instead of blaming the voters they didn’t get.

          Realistically Trump is a terrible candidate, and they now lost 2 out of 3 elections to him because they want to run as Republicans light instead of appealing to their traditional base of labour.

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            Pissing off teamsters stands out. But Liz Cheney was one of the few calling trump out. Got no issue with that. Regardless nothing you said is a valid reason to sit out this election.

            Given how more registered voters sat out the election than voted for trump… Your Liz Cheney bs isn’t worth it.

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              Liz Cheney is a metaphor for their continued attempts of trying to convince Republicans to switch instead of getting the traditional base out. No Republicans switched to Democrats because they never do, and a whole bunch of traditional constituencies sat out the election because it looked like whether you voted for Democrats or Republicans, you ended up with Republican policies either way.

              It’s always been the case that the Democratic voters need to be excited, while Republicans basically just go to every election and vote the same way (Trump being an exception who managed to get some traditional non-voters to go to the polls in addition to that). If the leadership of the Democratic party chose to keep doubling down on the strategy of going after the mythical antifascist Republican voters for multiple elections, failing every time, that’s not due to the voters, or the ‘left’, that’s entirely the fault of leadership.

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                This is a good explain. The evil man does figures into it. The apathy is there and the republicans are the desert and no one wants nothing.