What you’re describing is really just western civilization, just in a really cynical way.
I get it, you and people like you hate western civilization. That’s why those of us who love it stamp out any communist bullshit when we see it. Because we know, we know what the point of the ‘revolution’ is, it’s to destroy the western countries.
It’s not something you’re likely to come out and admit, but when you say something like the ‘tradition of hierarchy’ well ya. What exactly is wrong with that? Dominance isn’t a well defined term, supremacy is a loaded word, I don’t know what a Protestant work ethic is in comparison to any other type of work ethic, but of course I value some kind of work ethic.
Yes there should be hierarchy. Of course.
‘Deference to authority’, is this some anarchy argument? That’s what it sounds like.
So if I break down all of what you’re saying, remove hierarchy, remove capitalism, remove competition and authority.
Okay, I take all that in and I think “hm. He wants to destroy everything that western civilization has built”.
This is why I’ll always oppose this kind of bullshit, because it’s disgusting. What you mean, if you got your way, would cause so much more death and suffering and you’re cowering behind this visage of saintly goodness. It’s gross, honestly.
And most people who argue for this I usually just assuming are misinformed dreamers hoping for a utopia that’ll never come. But then there are others, the ones who know what they’re asking for and willing to go the distance to achieve it.
Those ones are, I think, ones like you. Probably in here spreading anarchocommunist propaganda for your cause online to impressionable and well meaning kids.
People like that, know they’re trying to destroy the country and rebuild it in their own anarcho-communist image.
What you’re describing is really just western civilization, just in a really cynical way.
Do you think I’m unaware of this? Yes, that’s the prevailing ideology of neoliberalism; what modern conservatives are fighting to conserve.
I get it, you and people like you hate western civilization.
Incorrect and reductive to boot. There’s a great deal to love about western civilisation. I just don’t like neoliberal capitalism.
That’s why those of us who love it stamp out any communist bullshit when we see it. Because we know, we know what the point of the ‘revolution’ is, it’s to destroy the western countries.
That’s just paranoid red-scare propaganda. This isn’t a game of Civilization 5, and the goal of communism is not to “destroy” anything.
It’s not something you’re likely to come out and admit, but when you say something like the ‘tradition of hierarchy’ well ya. What exactly is wrong with that?
You seem to have gotten confused midway through this sentence. What do you want me to “admit”? As for what is wrong with hierarchy - I challenge you to explain what’s right about it. What is the value in placing people above and below each other?
Dominance isn’t a well defined term
Just an excuse to avoid discussing it. It’s quite well defined, studied and documented. Many forms of dominance have existed throughout history, and historians, sociologists and political scientists have long analysed its various appearances. At the very basic level, dominance is just having power over a person or group of people. It’s not hard to pin down.
supremacy is a loaded word
So what?
I don’t know what a Protestant work ethic is in comparison to any other type of work ethic, but of course I value some kind of work ethic.
Google is your friend:
“Protestant ethic, in sociological theory, the value attached to hard work, thrift, and efficiency in one’s worldly calling, which, especially in the Calvinist view, were deemed signs of an individual’s election, or eternal salvation.” Max Weber
“A view of life that promotes hard work and self-discipline as a means to material prosperity. It is called Protestant because some Protestant groups believe that such prosperity is a sign of God’s grace.” Dictionary.com
Put simply, if you’re rich, it means God loves you, and the money is a reward from God, because you must have worked really hard for it.
Yes there should be hierarchy. Of course.
Why? You can’t just say “of course”.
‘Deference to authority’, is this some anarchy argument? That’s what it sounds like.
It could be, or it could be a communist argument, or a socialist argument, or a Georgist argument, a mutualist argument, or any number of ideologies opposed to an automatic respect of people arbitrarily placed above them.
What of it?
So if I break down all of what you’re saying, remove hierarchy, remove capitalism, remove competition and authority.
Okay, I take all that in and I think “hm. He wants to destroy everything that western civilization has built”.
That’s all you think western civilisation is? What do you think we were doing before capitalism came around? What do you think people do with their lives when they’re not at work? Have you never heard of culture, art, philosophy? Have you never experienced community?
This is why I’ll always oppose this kind of bullshit, because it’s disgusting.
Explain how. And please avoid using such emotional language, it reeks of blatant manipulation.
What you mean, if you got your way
This isn’t “my way”. It’s not about me or what I want.
would cause so much more death and suffering
How?
and you’re cowering behind this visage of saintly goodness.
Here you go using emotional rhetoric again. I’m not projecting any visage. I haven’t pronounced my beliefs as saintly (I in fact haven’t stated my beliefs at all) and haven’t made any moral statements. This is just rhetoric at work.
It’s gross, honestly.
Once again, personal attacks and emotional appeals.
And most people who argue for this I usually just assuming are misinformed dreamers hoping for a utopia that’ll never come.
Why do you assume that? Do you have any idea what any of these people actually believe?
But then there are others, the ones who know what they’re asking for and willing to go the distance to achieve it.
And what are they asking for? You have no idea. You haven’t even bothered to ask. You just accept what Fox News tells you.
Those ones are, I think, ones like you. Probably in here spreading anarchocommunist propaganda for your cause online to impressionable and well meaning kids.
This is blatant emotional pandering. Stop the faux sympathy train and come back to reality.
People like that, know they’re trying to destroy the country and rebuild it in their own anarcho-communist image.
What, exactly, do you think anarcho-communism is? And what makes you think building it entails “destroying the country”? And why assume this is a personal crusade motivated by individual beliefs, and not a social movement built out of collective efforts?
What you’re describing is really just western civilization, just in a really cynical way.
I get it, you and people like you hate western civilization. That’s why those of us who love it stamp out any communist bullshit when we see it. Because we know, we know what the point of the ‘revolution’ is, it’s to destroy the western countries.
It’s not something you’re likely to come out and admit, but when you say something like the ‘tradition of hierarchy’ well ya. What exactly is wrong with that? Dominance isn’t a well defined term, supremacy is a loaded word, I don’t know what a Protestant work ethic is in comparison to any other type of work ethic, but of course I value some kind of work ethic.
Yes there should be hierarchy. Of course.
‘Deference to authority’, is this some anarchy argument? That’s what it sounds like.
So if I break down all of what you’re saying, remove hierarchy, remove capitalism, remove competition and authority.
Okay, I take all that in and I think “hm. He wants to destroy everything that western civilization has built”.
This is why I’ll always oppose this kind of bullshit, because it’s disgusting. What you mean, if you got your way, would cause so much more death and suffering and you’re cowering behind this visage of saintly goodness. It’s gross, honestly.
And most people who argue for this I usually just assuming are misinformed dreamers hoping for a utopia that’ll never come. But then there are others, the ones who know what they’re asking for and willing to go the distance to achieve it.
Those ones are, I think, ones like you. Probably in here spreading anarchocommunist propaganda for your cause online to impressionable and well meaning kids.
People like that, know they’re trying to destroy the country and rebuild it in their own anarcho-communist image.
Do you think I’m unaware of this? Yes, that’s the prevailing ideology of neoliberalism; what modern conservatives are fighting to conserve.
Incorrect and reductive to boot. There’s a great deal to love about western civilisation. I just don’t like neoliberal capitalism.
That’s just paranoid red-scare propaganda. This isn’t a game of Civilization 5, and the goal of communism is not to “destroy” anything.
You seem to have gotten confused midway through this sentence. What do you want me to “admit”? As for what is wrong with hierarchy - I challenge you to explain what’s right about it. What is the value in placing people above and below each other?
Just an excuse to avoid discussing it. It’s quite well defined, studied and documented. Many forms of dominance have existed throughout history, and historians, sociologists and political scientists have long analysed its various appearances. At the very basic level, dominance is just having power over a person or group of people. It’s not hard to pin down.
So what?
Google is your friend:
Put simply, if you’re rich, it means God loves you, and the money is a reward from God, because you must have worked really hard for it.
Why? You can’t just say “of course”.
It could be, or it could be a communist argument, or a socialist argument, or a Georgist argument, a mutualist argument, or any number of ideologies opposed to an automatic respect of people arbitrarily placed above them.
What of it?
That’s all you think western civilisation is? What do you think we were doing before capitalism came around? What do you think people do with their lives when they’re not at work? Have you never heard of culture, art, philosophy? Have you never experienced community?
Explain how. And please avoid using such emotional language, it reeks of blatant manipulation.
This isn’t “my way”. It’s not about me or what I want.
How?
Here you go using emotional rhetoric again. I’m not projecting any visage. I haven’t pronounced my beliefs as saintly (I in fact haven’t stated my beliefs at all) and haven’t made any moral statements. This is just rhetoric at work.
Once again, personal attacks and emotional appeals.
Why do you assume that? Do you have any idea what any of these people actually believe?
And what are they asking for? You have no idea. You haven’t even bothered to ask. You just accept what Fox News tells you.
This is blatant emotional pandering. Stop the faux sympathy train and come back to reality.
What, exactly, do you think anarcho-communism is? And what makes you think building it entails “destroying the country”? And why assume this is a personal crusade motivated by individual beliefs, and not a social movement built out of collective efforts?