• YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 day ago

    Yeah the carnivore communities suck 🤮 They kept popping in my /all feed so I blocked them. The rage bait post is particularly nauseating to me. They don’t see animals as having the same sentience as vegans view they have, it is incredibly disheartening. These communities are going to be controversial, you either think it is wrong to abuse/rape/kill an animal for consumption or you don’t.

    That’s why the vegan instances are great, you won’t see this shit ever. You’re free to talk about veganism without someone coming in to troll. The carnivore diet is just a diet, one that is harmful IMO, but veganism is so much more than a plant based diet. I still come across comments making fun of instances that require content warnings for meat, dairy, and eggs. They just don’t get it and I’m tired of trying to reason with unreasonable people.

    I don’t expect .world to do anything about them. I’m actually surprised people seem to be on the mod’s side here, they certainly weren’t when beaver banned people for downvoting.

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        8 hours ago

        I think this can be a place to post the most daft stuff vegans say, ideally with links.

        I will start with

        “Cows, pigs, sheeps, etc. are raped (no consent) and sexually assaulted (against their will) for dairy, meat, wool…”

        https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15551150

        🤣🤣🤣

        No they don’t, even the linked thread had Felix (who was the mod of the carnivore community linked) making fun of vegans for being against this. You think Felix is an isolated incident? Because they are not, I’ve heard the same sentiments expressed by many people both online and IRL. If everyone supposedly opposes this, then why haven’t animal agriculture practices changed?

        In that thread, someone else said:

        That’s okay. There are many people who only know their food as a bite-sized anonymous mass from the supermarket. who think that cows just give milk all the time. They don’t know how piglets are bred. That you can walk into any barn and see unfathomable suffering in every corner. Who have never heard of forceful impregnation, confinement crates, premature separation, tail docking, mulesing, torture breeding, teeth clipping, CO2 chambers, castration, steroid growth, veal crates, tethering, weaning rings, induced moulting, sheep dipping… and we haven’t even started on the illegal cruelties.

        In this state of blissful ignorance, you might regard someone who associates eating a steak with rape as crazy.

        I used to be like this too. And to be honest, there are times when I wish I could return to it and just dismiss vegans with a downvote as exaggerating and annoying.

        Surely if everyone thought that abusing animals was wrong, all the companies selling animal products that resulted from said abuse would be gone. But people don’t actually care and just buy whatever from the store, directly supporting the abuse. People may “oppose” it theoretically but in practice don’t. Even the US government “solved” the problem by making it a crime to film what is actually happening in those places (ag-gag laws) since businesses were losing profit when their cruel practices were exposed.

        But I know I am wasting my time with you in particular, you spout nonstop carnist apologia. You insist there is 0 suffering during animal agriculture and that veganism doesn’t help animals - not even in a supply and demand way. There isn’t a way to actually talk to you about this or veganism in general because we will go around in circles accomplishing nothing. I am vegan, you are incredibly carnist. So, please disengage so I can move on with my day.

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            6 hours ago

            I am already aware, thanks for the reminder :) When someone says to disengage, it means they want to stop the conversation because it is not worth any more of their time.

            I think animals are tortured in the industry, you do not, I think people not buying meat can cause a change, you do not. What more is there to say? Nothing. So kindly, please disengage and stop messaging me 3 times at once, 1 message is fine.

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          veganism doesn’t help animals - not even in a supply and demand way

          supply and demand is a theory about price discovery. it has nothing to do w with whether buying beans helps animals… which it doesn’t.