I think this can be a place to post the most daft stuff vegans say, ideally with links.

I will start with

“Cows, pigs, sheeps, etc. are raped (no consent) and sexually assaulted (against their will) for dairy, meat, wool…”

https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/15551150

🤣🤣🤣

No they don’t, even the linked thread had Felix (who was the mod of the carnivore community linked) making fun of vegans for being against this. You think Felix is an isolated incident? Because they are not, I’ve heard the same sentiments expressed by many people both online and IRL. If everyone supposedly opposes this, then why haven’t animal agriculture practices changed?

In that thread, someone else said:

That’s okay. There are many people who only know their food as a bite-sized anonymous mass from the supermarket. who think that cows just give milk all the time. They don’t know how piglets are bred. That you can walk into any barn and see unfathomable suffering in every corner. Who have never heard of forceful impregnation, confinement crates, premature separation, tail docking, mulesing, torture breeding, teeth clipping, CO2 chambers, castration, steroid growth, veal crates, tethering, weaning rings, induced moulting, sheep dipping… and we haven’t even started on the illegal cruelties.

In this state of blissful ignorance, you might regard someone who associates eating a steak with rape as crazy.

I used to be like this too. And to be honest, there are times when I wish I could return to it and just dismiss vegans with a downvote as exaggerating and annoying.

Surely if everyone thought that abusing animals was wrong, all the companies selling animal products that resulted from said abuse would be gone. But people don’t actually care and just buy whatever from the store, directly supporting the abuse. People may “oppose” it theoretically but in practice don’t. Even the US government “solved” the problem by making it a crime to film what is actually happening in those places (ag-gag laws) since businesses were losing profit when their cruel practices were exposed.

But I know I am wasting my time with you in particular, you spout nonstop carnist apologia. You insist there is 0 suffering during animal agriculture and that veganism doesn’t help animals - not even in a supply and demand way. There isn’t a way to actually talk to you about this or veganism in general because we will go around in circles accomplishing nothing. I am vegan, you are incredibly carnist. So, please disengage so I can move on with my day.