As always…
I live in germany, and the Israeli movings in Syria aren’t “a top story” in several news. It’s like: “we better not talk about this”.
It’s different outlets as well, you see. PBS doesn’t have a material about the most recent attack, but pretty much every recent material they have is negative for Israel, two straight out discussing genocide. Which the Russians also attempt to commit against Ukrainians denying them their right for self–determination, my dear Russian friend.
genocide. Which the Russians also attempt to commit against Ukrainians denying them their right for self–determination, my dear Russian friend.
Thank god Zelensky is not trying to commit genocide on Ukrainians denying them their right for self-determination by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them off the streets 1 by 1 in front of their mothers/wives and sending them to the meatgrinder, am I right, my dear Western friend holding the moral high ground?
Im not western, and live with a place with over a million Ukrainian refugees, with whom I work. The fuck you talking about?
Israel also bombed the Syrian Navy, sinking 15 docked vessels. In self defense, of course, because those ships would be used against them. /s
The instigator is different. Not trying to condone Israel, but the initial reason for invading is different.
Fuck both Russia and Israel.
What do you believe Israel’s reason is?
Who cares. They are killing anything in their sight. Fuck them.
It’s also two different news agencies.
Feel free to find a western news agency covering Israeli invasion of Syria the same way they cover Russia.
Also the Russian invasion was anything but swift!
It was quite swift initially, and if the west didn’t torpedo the deal then the whole thing could’ve been over in 2 months.
I seem to remember the Russians got stuck in mud and ran out of fuel pretty swifty I guess
things that absolutely happened outside liberal fantasies
no, it wouldn’t have been lol, also there is a reason ukraine allied itself with the west
Yeah, the reason being that the west made false promises to Ukraine that led to their destruction as has been the case with every prior western proxy.
Russia promised to not invade, or rape or pillage… But yeah, west bad because isn’t helping enough.
Ukraine promised to implement Minsk and stop ethnic cleansing in Donbas for 8 years. Then western leaders came out and said that the purpose of Minsk agreements was to give Ukraine more time to arm.
Meanwhile, the fact that it was the west who sabotaged the peace deal two months in is a well documented fact
- https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/
- https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/09/03/west-peace-proposal-ukraine-russia/
- https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/10/25/the-west-must-stop-blocking-negotiations-between-ukraine-and-russia/
- https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms
- even Nuland has now openly admitted this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS2dg_atfc
It’s incredible that anybody could be so utterly dishonest to characterize this as helping Ukraine.
the us maybe don’t care about ukraine, but ukraine knows that and still sides with the west, why? because russia is the bigger threat to them
How’s that going for them?
The west literally overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine to put in a fascist regime. The regime is the biggest threat to people of Ukraine and they know it. This is why nobody is actually signing up to fight this war. The reality is that people are being gang pressed into fighting by the nazis https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html
In fact, according to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75% https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-20/ukraine-s-fight-against-russia-bolstered-by-millionaire-s-brigade
Yeah the reason is primarily corruption. There’s a reason so many Americans specifically related to the state dept either quit their jobs and took up in Ukrainian companies, or directly started investing in Ukraine in the lead up to 2014 and the eventually coup that lead to zelensky being in power. Ukraine isn’t special. It holds no real significance for a US company or investment firm based on its laws or government. But cheap mineral rights and a complete lack of environmental regulation thanks to a captured government? That’s just easy money that also denies a self made US enemy that easy money. And all for the price of the Ukrainian population.
I haven’t been following the news. Weren’t they fucking around in Lebanon? Why are they in Syria?
It looks like Turkey and Israel came up with a plot to overrun Syria with insurgents and then start carving it up.
The Assad regime just got ousted, and Israel is taking advantage of the disorganisation in Syria to secure more Lebensraum.
Well yeah, it’s different. The two situations are not remotely comparable.
It’s true, there are significant differences. One is a response to ethnic cleansing and NATO expansion,while the other is a genocidal regime invading its neighbour.
didn’t russia promise ukraines independence?
Ukraine had independence until the west overthrew their democratically elected government in a violent neofascist coup.
Didn’t Israel promise a bunch of similar things to Palestine?
They’re liars
yes, Israel is a bad state and russia is also a bad state
They still do, if the rest of the original treaty is upheld.
and what might that rest be? because I’m not interested in hearing some whining about ukraine buying weapons from the west or some shit, nato didn’t expand into ukraine or something and even if they did it wouldn’t be russias decision to make
and what might that rest be? because I’m not interested in hearing some whining about ukraine buying weapons from the west or some shit, nato didn’t expand into ukraine or something and even if they did it wouldn’t be russias decision to make
now do Ukraine 🤡
no, you should do it, because ukraine didn’t invade russia
You’re right, Ukraine was just doing some light ethnic cleansing in Donbas that the west was cheering on. At least you lot are consistent in your support for ethnic cleansing and genocide.
I love it how people still trot our wikipedia as a source of truth, go read at the sources I’ve provided in this thread
One is a response to ethnic cleansing and NATO expansion,while the other is a genocidal regime invading its neighbour.
mh … that almost sounds like two different things …
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I’m sorry that well documented facts upset you NAFO
would you mind showing me some credible sources?
already have in this very thread
What ethnic cleansing? I’m asking this in good faith, I genuinely don’t know who Ukrainians were trying to eliminate. I’ve vaguely heard that many Cossaks in Eastern Ukraine were pro-Russia because they’d let them have more autonomy, is that what this is about?
Ukraine consists of a number of different ethnic groups. The eastern part of Ukraine used to be Russia before the revolution, and is largely populated by ethnic Russians. After the 2014 coup, eastern parts of Ukraine rebelled and it’s been in a civil war ever since. The slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 provide a good background. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:
here’s how the election in 2004 went:
this is the 2010 election:
As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:
The civil war has been going on for the 8 years since the coup, and the goal of subjugating the people of Donbass has been openly stated by the regime. For example, here’s Poroshenko saying openly saying that the goal was to terrorize the people into submission. Here’s a clip of CNN reporting on the regime attacking civilians. There’s also a whole documentary with lots of interviews of civilians.
In 2022, LPR and DPR appealed to Russia to intervene, and that’s how the current war started. Incidentally, it’s pretty much modelled on how NATO invaded Yugoslavia when they recognized the autonomy of the separatist regions and intervened on their behalf.
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