I like the prospect of more Linux hardware hitting the market with officially supported distros. The European Union should be funding this kind of stuff to supplant Microsoft within its borders.
agreed
Imagine all the innovation if they did that!
Far from my distro of choice but better compatibility with one distro usually translates to similar improvements on the others.
I’m very interested in the framework laptops, a 14" UHD touchscreen one would be an instant buy, the current lineup is still tempting nonetheless.That’s the beauty of Linux. The tide raises all ships.
I feel similar but with a 16-17” 3K resolution. Honestly it’s the biggest thing keeping me away from a Linux laptop and in my ancient 15” MacBook Pro.
Agreed, a slight bump to 14" would be welcome. And maybe a more modern looking bottom shell, even for existing upgrade.
Good stuff good stuff. Have been a Mac user for years now. But the Framework laptops sure are tempting. Then it will be Linux all the way. More free and more sustainable.
Hopefully Apple will be forced to become repairable again like during pre-2015.
Don’t hold your breath
Oh yeah, with my 2008 MBP I have had replaced multiple parts and the screen. To try that now is a fools errand.
I have had gone Mac because framework wasn’t selling in my country, but got an email about two weeks back that they started selling here too, so once my macbook dies or becomes too slow I will be buying a framework
Same.
I think I would need comparable energy efficiency as well though. For portable machines it’s hard to go for an x86_64 one when I can get so much more battery life out of an arm one.
Getting official support for a distribution should help with a good out of the box battery life at least. But I think they’d need arm or riscv before it really becomes comparable?
Direct link: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4762
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In my experience, installing Linux Mint onto just about anything is trivial. IMO, the learning curve is more about using a different operating system than it being pre-installed.
That said, as long as you have a preconfigured distro like Linux Mint I think it’s about as easy to use as Windows or Mac. The main difference is that people are already used to how Windows or Macs work, and have forgotten there’s plenty of jank that they’ve learned to avoid. There are still things Linux could improve on w/r/t new user experience but I think the gap is getting smaller every year.
Tbh, using Linux Mint feels really familiar and most software you can just install from the software center. In many ways it’s easier than setting up Windows. Sure, there are some specifics but for just every day use, there is not much of it.
I put off trying Linux for months, only to find it’s not really much change at all. I even at one point had to buy new Windows license because I was not in a place where I had capacity to fiddle with new stuff and it was such an unnecessary and huge mistake. Finally bitnthe bullet a couple of months after and I didn’t boot to Windows for months now - and the transition was super smooth. I changed my primary boot drive from Win to Mint very shortly after the transition.
if I have to do it all myself by following esoteric texts on the internet and pray to the silicon gods that everything works then I’m not gonna bother.
There’s more to Linux than arch. Mint, along with many others, is just as easy to install as windows.
Linux Mint is easier than windows for basic shit, it pretty much has an app store for all your software needs ready to go too.
This month was my first move to linux and while I dont particularly no why I did it or where to go from here, it is definitely not a usability issue.
Friend, I am no Linux shill, but I switched to Mint last week on my secondary laptop, and let me tell you, it’s kinda cash and pretty easy.
I had to verify the integrity and authenticity of the Mint download itself, but it’s straightforward and tells you how to do that. Once you’re done, you install the OS just like you would with Windows.
Full disclosure, I don’t use the laptop for much, so no fiddling needed for me.
Edit: I guess I am shilling it, but I mean I’m not a Linux fanboy
The news of arch with valve and mint with framework brings a smile to my face.
Preinstalled linux will become more common place.
This partnership makes a lot of sense.
Of all the distros out there, they went with Mint?
They have a similar partnership with Fedora
I am semi-literate in “computers”. That means I can build my own PC, do no coding, but manage to troubleshoot most things by sheer stubborness, search and the odd question on a “forum” In other words not afraid of tech.
I can’t be bothered to sift through endless overengineered BS for a PC to do the few things I need it to do these days. Web browser, Steam and streaming, while not scraping every ounce of personal data and sending it to various entities for nefarious purposes. I have Mint, it works out of the box and I don’t have to tinker with it, but enough customizability if I want to.
What’s wrong with Mint?
Uses the heavily deprecated XOrg display manager. XOrg has no isolation of windows from each other, meaning any app can record your screen without notice. All XOrg apps can also log keyboard presses arbitrarily. Since all apps share the same display server, they can easy correlate keypresses (text) with what app it is entered in, kinda like Windows Recall. Cinnamon, Mate, and XFCE all use XOrg. Cinnamon still doesnt default to Wayland.
Sure but Xorg has been like that forever and until recently distros started to default Wayland because of Nvidia, and there aren’t many of them yet. Also some programs don’t run well with Xwayland, some don’t run at all. You’re right from a technical privacy point but it’s not the end of the world and it doesn’t have to be privacy-invading, just don’t run proprietary stuff. By the way, CInnamon will switch to Wayland, when the experimental support is mature enough. Don’t know about MATE of XFCE.
XFCE will within the next 2 years.
That’s nice to hear.
Bruh every desktop besides window managers and kde/gnome are still on x11 mostly.
Edit: cinnamon and xfce and lxqt has experimental/preview wayland. (updated to put lxqt in experimental)Yes, most DEs use X11. I dont think that is a good thing. XFCE will take a bit to implement Wayland (approx 2 years according to their update schedule).
I said it has beta wayland because of this news
…is that all? that it uses XOrg?
Nah, I personally dont like its look, Ubuntu base, and slow update schedule. I think Bluefin or Aurora would be better starting distros.
Aren’t a slow update schedule and a closer look to home better for newbies?
not dealing with immutability no thanks.
Better for newbies because it is harder to break.
Yeah the upside of immutable distros, but I think nix implantation of immutablity is really great but nix has a learning curve and your .nix might get messy. + many of these immutable distros don’t offer many desktops.
i wish that site showed other desktops aswell rather then apps.
fair, but i understand the choice as that’s a lot more work to do along with having to adopt some sort of arbitrary inclusion standard
l also wanted desktops as well due to it being hard finding a list of desktops that support wayland i just see gnome and kde + window managers.
bruh whats up with the mint hate.
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Hopefully this means coreboot support finally.
wish they sold framework laptops in my country :(
What country are you located in? If you’re actually interested I could do a reship, but I also understand if you’re not as interested given I’m just a random dude on Lemmy :)
No Thanks, I don’t rlly need any laptop rn.
There are companies that do freight forwarding. Much less dodgy than random person on the internet. Would be worth checking out.
Alr
System76 with extra steps, both even being ubuntu based
that’s called competition
Sure but are there even any retail pc manufacturers maintaining ANY non-ubuntu distros?
Framework with Fedora, whom they’ve partnered with basically since launch
