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    You can look into Cloudflare’s CSAM setting, but I’m not exactly sure what it does.

    I don’t understand how a web host is legally responsible for what their users post as long as there’s active moderation removing it in a timely manner.

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      You are correct, there is safe harbor provisions on the matter. There is a legal responsibility to report and store the content securely when it is reported as an admin.

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        It’s like it’s not enough that you deal with all the technical shit, updating to new versions, checking shit out from GitHub, running builds, paying for the goddamn thing, then you are also responsible for babysitting content? Fuck that. Unless you have a good group of mods/admins it is really difficult to do.

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          That’s why you either sell your users to the advertisers or charge a monthly subscription. Free internet doesn’t work.

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              I can do all of the above, except for police content.

              And Reddit of course had unpaid mods to do that.

              So like I say, it can be done, you just need the right team of mods/admins for your own server.

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                Cool, you and your 5 buddies have a great time. Some of us would like to see a viable alternative to reddit who respects privacy, and doesn’t crash every other day.

                Fediverse is going to be known as a kiddie porn haven with the level of professionalism and maturity they have with the major servers.

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                  I have yet to see a single problem with Lemmy over months of daily use. An instance may have crashed in that time but I didn’t notice not seeing certain instances when scrolling, and I don’t seek out particular communities. Helps that I’m hosted on a less popular instance, and the lemmy.ca admins seem to run a tight ship.

                  I block a couple of communities a day, but that seems to be expected. I also haven’t seen any kiddie porn.

                  Less discussion than Reddit, and less specific communities, but that’s been easy to forgive because well, fuck Reddit.

                  If an alternative pops up at some point, I’ll be sure to give it a try. Lemmy is doing just fine for me.

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      FYI in USA the law CDA section 230 only preempts state law but not federal law. If something which is federally illegal lands on your server you need to deal with it ASAP

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    I would love to have the EFF chime in, but there are some protections for you as a host under the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act (OCILLA) - or safe harbor provision in the USA.

    As to how that has been tested legally on federated content, I don’t know. Perhaps another elder of the internet can tell me how Usenet servers handle it.

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      You are right, there is safe harbor protections here. It’s a legal mess that must be navigated carefully. We will see how things progress.

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        While correct, you still may end up having to deal with the law about it. The whole “you can’t beat the ride” thing. Could be a ton of hassle and legal fees.

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          What are you implying here? That @gabe should never have bothered with running a server? What about the server you are connected to right now? Should they shut down because of what may travel across it?

          No.

          They’re protected under the same rules as somebody running a WiFi hotspot at a coffee shop. As long as they are doing everything within reason to be a good steward of their local network (which is what Gabe is doing) then they are protected.

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            Doesn’t seem like he was implying anything. Just stating the fact that part of the burden of citizenship is sometimes having to interact with law enforcement, maybe even go to trial, even if you’ve done nothing wrong.

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            I’m not suggesting anyone should or shouldn’t do anything, nor that I’m not grateful for people that do. Just saying it’s a potential downside that people should seriously consider before hosting any public access systems.

            They’re protected under the same rules as somebody running a WiFi hotspot at a coffee shop. As long as they are doing everything within reason to be a good steward of their local network (which is what Gabe is doing) then they are protected

            Hopefully, yeah. But again, there’s still this potential of the coffee shop of having all their equipment seized and having to deal with a law enforcement investigation and maybe even the courts. Even if the risk of actual jail time and monetary penalties is low, it’s something people should consider before doing it.

            This is one of the reasons I’m not running a public access network or TOR exit node at home even if I think those are worthwhile things to do.

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            FYI not all jurisdictions deal with website hosting (storage and distribution) as equivalent to hotspot/ internet services (dumb relay)

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        And it’s easy. Society spends so much time and effort making life easier via improvements like simple image uploading and sharing, so of course some piece of shit will use it for this. Just a few clicks and they’ve created headaches for thousands of people. It requires no ability so the barrier of entry is as low as being the kind of trash that likes that stuff.

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    Here I thought I could create a server and then use that as a instance only to hold my profile where I could then use that to interact across the fediverse

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      You can absolutely do that, just make the profile registration private

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            Yes, but people can still browse content from your instance without logging in. There is nothing stopping people from viewing illegal material through your instance.

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              Section 230 makes this but an issue. It would be like suing the phone company. Especially if you don’t moderate. If you moderate then it can be said what is left had your endorsement. If you don’t moderate, then you are simply a victim of vandalism.

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            Ok, I think I might be misunderstanding the issue; so it’s more of bad actors rather than a copy of images in cache?

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      Yeah I have wanted that from day one. I want it to work like mail my identity on my domain that I can bring anywhere, store my comments, posts, subscriptions and that’s it, maybe direct messages or explicitly saved posts. Not every damn post that I read / subscribe.

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    This kind of issue is why pawb.social is not open registration. These low effort trolls cause a lot of problems, and i don’t want my server to be responsible for this crap.

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      Doesn’t matter, you are still effected by this issue since any images from communities you or anyone else on your instance follows get cached on your server, doesn’t matter if you actually looked at them or not. I would advise you to look into this if you are the instance admin and didn’t know this by now.

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    Maybe Mozilla could help. I know they’re trying to help make the net less of s toxic place and this is some serious thing.

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        Thanks. Can’t unsee it. It was in my app (Memmy), but I should probably clear that cache.

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          On Android you can long press an app icon to get to app properties (from launcher or app switcher) and look for storage and then wipe cache

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    I thought about hosting my own instance, but now I’m definitely not…

    I thought the worst that could happen was being ignored… apparently not.

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    My guess is that someone noticed that Lemmy doesn’t yet have as robust moderation tools as Mastodon and decided they’d federate "NoNoNo"1 images all over the place just to be a troll

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    Very illegal and naughty images of kids

  • And fuck all of the lemmy users who demand that instance owners take on the risk that the users demand.

    No, unpaid volunteers do not want jailtime for the child porn you wish to post.