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    is a symptom of mental incompetence. We do not want to elect a mentally incompetent leader.

    I would prefer a person with a some disorders which sometimes have such a downside to a “normal” person, other things being equal.

    Also people may “take care of basic personal hygiene” and still become stinky 5 times sooner than healthy people, have you considered that?

    Ableism is bad.

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      I’ll take “Things you don’t believe” for $200.

      I would prefer someone who didn’t try to overthrow an election be in charge of our country, and sadly Trump absolutely fails that very simple litmus test.

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        You have reading comprehension problems. Which means you likely don’t have any of the disorders I was thinking about.

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          That is a very ableist attitude to potebtially exclude learning disabilities, so maybe my comprehension skills were pretty good after all.

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            Ableism is when you exclude disorders which don’t have to be excluded, that is, which don’t negatively affect one’s capabilities in some particular role.

            Disallowing blind people to drive cars is not ableism, unless there is a solid technology to convey to them all the necessary information with good enough latency.

            So - for roles of judges and other responsibilities to make principled decisions, autistic people are generally better than “normal” people. Because they choose in favor of principle in “conflict of interest” situations usually, which is also why there are no autistic people in politics.

            For roles requiring unbiased thinking, autistic people and people with ADHD are generally better than “normal” people. Due to former’s alienation from society (which is the most notable source of bias) and latter’s ability to grasp wider contexts.

            For roles where pessimism is required, most people with disorders causing alienation are better than “normal” people, other things being equal. Simply because seeing the society break from its blind zones is a useful experience.

            But that doesn’t mean not allowing an autistic person to command a fire squad is ableism.

            Or that an ADHD person probably being a very bad bookkeeper is an ableist thought.

            While assuming that someone is unfit to fulfill a social\decision-making role because they physically stink is ableist. He can have one of plenty non-mental conditions causing that. It’s simply impractical to take showers every hour.

            While saying that him being a narcissist kinda disqualifies him is not ableist. And he definitely is a narcissist with dementia.

            It’s just that both Obama and Harris and Biden behave very similarly to real people with ASPD whom I’ve met. See, ASPD is such a funny thing that people having it don’t behave weirdly. They actually are very sane and glossy in appearances, or at least normal. Except for morals and empathy.

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              You know there’s words you can use besides “normal.” A common one is neurotypical. Also, everything you said is generalizations with no basis in reality and incredibly ableist, so, again, you have proven me right.

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                You might think whatever you want, but you are using the word “prove” wrong.

                And no, despite you saying various shit, nothing I said is ableist and all I said is true. That’s because it was chosen to be as general as fucking possible. Exactly because of spectrums and continuums and such.

                “Normal” here is used to insult NT people and not ND people, because of the former often being arrogant shits like the guy I was answering initially about disorders disqualifying people.

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                  It’s not ableist to disqualify someone from being President if they smell really, really bad because that means that they are unable to accomplish an action themselves or with the help of their advisors.

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            No, I shouldn’t, GTFO

            EDIT: Also mind your own business.

            EDIT2: Remembered about that “block user” thing.

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              Lmao yes, I’ll mind my own business on an open forum you are not forced to use lol

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      “ disorders” like being a malignant narcissist? Raging and flailing in wrath and desire for vengeance? Maybe not the best idea.

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        I said “some”. No, I know that’s a good idea. Basically some disorders make one less of an ape. Which is a good thing, if you are not a monarch or an authoritarian ruler which need to be apes else they won’t see a coup until it happens.

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          I guess but it depends which one. Whatever the fuck is wrong with Trump as far as his mental/personality disorders is disqualifying.