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Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:
I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as ātankie apologiaā and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.
I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find āthe tankie triadā extremely silly:
yeah thatās the context, I was just laughing because:
- only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
- it sounds really silly, like theyāre a nemesis to dr venture.
- Iām supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped š
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Iām not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything Iāve run into in any of āthe tankie triadā. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on ātankieā run instances donāt seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.
Youāll forgive me if I donāt get into specifics, I would rather not have to deal with IRL harassment. Iāve been at antiwar organizing since Iraq. It comes from an anarchist position, any war be it colonization or inter-capitalist conflict more broadly is always going to benefit capitalists first while killing countless workers in the process with nothing to show in the end but heightened exploitation and division. War should be opposed regardless of the narrative because itās a tremendous waste of human life and resources, not to mention a distraction from addressing global issues like climate change and pandemics. War is always the hallmark of a political-diplomatic failure. Iāve worked with a lot of different people over the years, youāre never going to agree with everyone 100% because thatās just being human but you can still be friends and share common cause as long as thereās mutual respect and understanding.
I donāt have any issue with that, if people want to fight they should fight. However thatās not all thatās been happening, they have been drafting/kidnapping people to the front for some time. Ukrainians are not a monolith and thereās plenty who would rather not die defending lines on a map. I donāt think any anarchist should approve of a state under martial law pressing people into service. I understand that itās a necessary evil in many situations, after all many anarchist revolutions have also used conscription. Donāt kid yourself that itās āanti-authoritarianā to be drafting people to your cause though.
Rest assured that I do not
Thatās a pretty wild take, since there are TONS of Ukranian anarchists on the front lines, and theyāre there quite willingly. They recognize that Russia is, by far, the greater evil.
Um. Thatās aā¦ Statement. Itās an objectively false statement, but itās a statement.
Letās take the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Pray tell, what political or diplomatic failure happened, and how could it have been prevented while also allowing Ukraine to determine their own future and move towards the EU in the way that the people of Ukraine wanted? Or, to put it more succinctly, where is the political or diplomatic failure in standing up to a bully?
Russia started the war. Thatās an undeniable fact. The only way to avoid the war would have been for Ukraine to simply roll over and accept a Russian dictatorship. If you think that not capitulating to a dictatorship is a failure, well, thatās a bad-faith claim.
They may be, but thereās plenty more people who donāt share that conviction drafted into service under martial law. Why are they obligated to sacrifice themselves? Itās been years, the mobilization is incredibly unpopular at this point.
Technically correct but more so because warfare has existed long before diplomacy/state politics. In the modern context I think it holds up though.
When it comes to Russia invading ukraine, the root cause political-diplomatic failure stems from the dissolution of the USSR without ever incorporating Russia into the security agreements. To destabilize a government to the point of collapse like that, then swoop in with the shock doctrine looting only created the conditions for someone like Putin to consolidate control. If they had continued to let Russia join NATO after the fall of the USSR and took a less adversarial approach overall there would almost certainly be considerably fewer dead people right now. It would probably be an austerity-crippled reactionary hellhole. The thing is our weapons industry needs to have constant geopolitical tension to justify its own existence. A politics centering global collaboration and reconciliation is incompatible with endless war profits.
I donāt think you understood my statement, not really sure what this line means either.