Yeah I thought it was ironic that the guy giving false testimony about “Corolado” is named Todd’s Lyin’ (Todd Lyons).

More like they can use that law to hold the federal agents accountable because they conspired with the state/local forces. Otherwise they don’t have much ability to hold federal forces accountable at all.

The authorities at the racetrack had a search warrant and criminal warrants to arrest five people, including the track owner, whom they accused of facilitating illegal gambling. But the sweep was much broader. The officers rounded up the entire crowd, some 400 people, zip-tying most adults and many teenagers and forcing just about everyone onto the track, where, according to the suit, they sorted people by perceived immigration status, typically based on skin color. They arrested 105 people for immigration violations.

Community organization of citizens is needed. Some thoughts:

1. Before the elections, they’re going to try and purge eligible voters off the rolls, especially ones they consider likely democratic voters. (Part of what DOGE accomplished was acquiring and collating detailed government records on everyone and ways to query that data for their purposes, like this one). So people who get purged may need help a) finding out in time that they were purged and b) getting re-registered, which could mean help with trips to offices and funds for fees so if needed they can get their birth certificate/marriage license or other required documents.

2. Everyone should vote early if they can. We don’t even know if the Post office can be trusted with mail ballots either, so if you’re in a vote-by-mail state, if possible, take your ballot to the election office ahead of time and hand it in personally. Either way, we need to organize rides to/from the election office for anyone who needs them so as many people as possible can vote early and minimize the number of people having to go to the polls on election day. That way if they do seize ballots from some stations, fewer votes would be lost.

3. Scouts in the areas near the polling places to call in any locations ICE shows up at and monitoring/reporting what they see back to the central group, who could send people there to record them.

4. Then we need ideas how to make sure people can still safely get in to vote if ICE is there, without disrupting anything, if that’s possible. Maybe some civil rights lawyers or ACLU would have advice. In any case, documenting what they do is important. There are laws on how close people are allowed to a polling station but we could have multiple people filming from different angles and of any doors in/out. It would be good if the elections office could have cameras installed inside the locations, at least ones in “swing” districts where feds would be likely to try and interfere.

The whole point of these people is to manage things.

Let me fix that for you: In a democracy, the whole point of these people is would be to manage things.

There is obviously a fundamental flaw in this system.

Ya think?

Reading the comments, and disregarding that Ventura was just making a point and not seriously suggesting secession, it seems that people are assuming that Minnesota would simply join Canada as a single unit with the current population as it is.

Obviously that’s not what would happen. Canada wouldn’t be getting a 47%-magat population in the deal. First, those people wouldn’t want to secede or go to Canada. They would move to another state before they’d let that happen. Second, Canada wouldn’t just let anyone in just because they were from Minnesota. They’d screen them and decide who to let in. Plus there would be USians from other states trying to move to Minnesota to get in on it. It would be chaotic and messy. Who knows how or if they’d even be able to make it work.

A more likely scenario would be some states seceding, a civil war and major population redistribution, then in the aftermath depending on if the seceding states won independence, maybe a deal with some of them would be made to be annexed by Canada. Or maybe negotiations with certain states would take place during the war regarding future annexation, and Canada might even help them in the war. Who knows.

Aww, ICE ICE Barbie, is Daddy mad at you?

I’ve always said all legislators should be required to walk through the aftermath of an event like sandy Hook or Uvalde before they are allowed to vote on gun legislation. And while I understand why parents would never want video of that made available to the public, I also think it would make a huge difference in public opinion if it was–that’s why I say at least the lawmakers should have to see it (and sight isn’t the only sense of it they’d never forget).

Maga core beliefs go out the window the minute trump says something different. Remember how they were against miltary intervention in foreign countries, especially in the middle east? Well now they’re gung-ho for it. They’re singing that Barbara Ann/bomnb Iran song on the conservative forums right now. There’s a little grumbling from a few of them about trump and minions saying you can’t take your guns to protests, but most are already rationalizing it (because it’s the ‘libtards’ getting shot for it). Pretty soon they’ll all be cheering on the Big Beautiful Gun Roundup.

The idea is to slow or stop economic activity, so it’s most effective when it’s those who work in business or industry. Jobs helping the community are … helping the community, which is also a value to uphold. So yeah not spending any money is still contributing to the goal.

He raised his own voice a couple of octaves when he said that. “You raise your ^voice?”

And I wouldn’t give them my info whether it’s an op or not. The No Kings/Indivisible have a sign-up thing too, and I wouldn’t give them my info either.

It’s one thing if you personally meet organizers and exchange phone numbers or something, and another thing to put your name and other personal info into someone’s internet-accessible database where you have no idea what may happen with it.

Icehole: “Wait, the people here stand up for themselves, wtf?. I was told they would cower in fear and run away, but they film us and blow those damn whistles. I was told no one would say anything when we beat the shit out of people and shoot them. Also, it’s cold. I wanna go to a nice warm red state where they hate the same people we do and cheer us on when we fuck 'em up.”

Yep, the only reason I say they’ll more likely just threaten him with it to make him “voluntarily” step down is that his followers would rebel against Vance if he outright power ousts him with the 25th.

But I think he (actually they, the whole cadre that are running things) will go ahead and actually invoke it if trump refuses to cooperate. It’ll just take more work–either a propaganda effort of video clips, rumors, leaks of “doctor reports” and “off-camera incidents”, etc. to convince his cult that he really is unable to continue, or more likely something might just “unfortunately happen” to him. They just have to make sure the magats don’t smell a rat and turn on them.

Oh, and the reason to wait until beginning of next year is so Vance will be able to run for two more full terms.

I predict Vance, et. al. will be doing an effective 25nd Amendment move after the midterms–not needing to actually invoke it but threatening trump with it if he doesn’t play along with their plans. There are lots of ways to manipulate him with both carrots and sticks. Assuming repubs keep their majority in Congress, (see the next paragraph), trump will conveniently have a health crisis that forces him to “retire” next year. Of course he might go ahead and have one without help anyway, but this is assuming he doesn’t.

The wild card is how the midterms will go, which I can’t predict. Will they be free and fair “normal” elections? I seriously doubt it. Lots of red states have one or two blue House seats. Repub-majority red states have been working on stacking election boards and judges ever since 2020 and they’re ready. They’ll make sure those blue House seats turn red, no redistricting is even needed, just manipulation of the voting process–purging the voter rolls on the front end and not counting as many ballots as needed on the back end.

Looks good, just need to work on a few minor things:

All of the ascenders and descenders (lines that extend above and below) need to be longer, especially on the f, d and the p. Also make sure the line on the right side of the a is clear and noticeable, it looks a lot like an o because you can hardly see that line. Overall the round parts of letters like a, d, g, p, etc are a little too wide/fat, so that combined with the vertical line parts being too short makes them look too similar to an o.

That may sound like a lot of criticism, but overall it does look very good. It just takes a lot of words to try and describe these small issues.

You’re advocating for a general strike? Great! Except … then why are you disparaging the very people this thread is about who are doing exactly that, why are you saying “those efforts are useless” to: “Unions, faith groups and local leaders urge residents not to work, shop or go to school after killing of Renee Good”. That is a general strike. Even though it’s just one day per week for now.

I know what your next reply will because I’ve seen it many times. You’ll say it’s not enough, that everyone has to strike every day all at once or it’s useless. Nope. That’s never going to happen and isn’t how it happened in places where protests and strikes were effective. It doesn’t have to be everyone every single day, though the more the better. It has to be enough that they can’t be ignored or shut down.

Will enough happen here? I really don’t know because there is so much propaganda flooding the zone to suppress information, to scare and to dissuade people, and you’re contributing to that. If you really do want to help, maybe at least just stop contributing to that.

Protesting isn’t effective until it is. Maybe it never will be or maybe the tide will turn or who knows what. We only know doing nothing accomplishes nothing. There are plenty of cases on video of people in Minneapolis preventing ICE from taking people when a crowd showed up yelling, recording, and blowing whistles, where ICE turned around and left. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn’t.

Now since you know so much about what doesn’t work, tell me what should people be doing and what you have done to help make whatever that is happen? I’m tired of every time people try to take action and there’s a post about it on here, you all come swarming out of the woodwork to repeat your same old talking points saying it’s useless and no one should bother. What is your agenda?

Either actually start doing something you think will be effective or shut up about it. Stop trying to dissuade the people who are actually doing something, whether you think they’re effective or not.

They literally said what I quoted and what I responded to: That sociologists say not to bother (who? which?) and that if people do one thing they think they’re done and stop (not at all in my experience).

Which sociologists say “not to bother”? Is it 9 out of 10 of them, like in a toothpaste commercial?

And why do you think people who participate in these things only do it once and stop? Generally the people who participate in one thing are the same people who continue participating in more things. Movements rarely spring full-force into existence at once, they build as more people are affected and/or become aware. Awareness is definitely starting to grow as even oblivious parts of the county are now starting to hear stuff getting through their bubbles that doesn’t match the propaganda from their usual feeding trough.

TBH this post reads like a copy of the typical “your efforts are useless so don’t bother” propaganda that every. single. post advocating activism gets–there are at least 5 times as many posts lie this trying to dissuade people from taking action as posts advocating action. Gee I wonder whose interests that helps?

If you want to argue about what works best and encourage more effective activities, go ahead and do that instead of just complaining about people who are doing something instead of nothing.