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    4 months ago

    When I say this same thing to the die hard blue team voters I get accused of being a Trumper and a fascist.

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      Tell them you can criticize and vote at the same time, thats what is supposed to make us different from the Maga chuds.

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      The left side will not let you defend trump or criticize them, its really bad and I dont think its going to end well.

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          I will defend anyone that the government is attacking unfairly, or that the media is lying about.

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            Do enlighten us on how the government is attacking him unfairly, and the lies the media has told about him.

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              Lets focus on the media, do you really think the news media tells the truth about trump always, or runs misleading or stories with bad sources on purpose?

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              I definitely do not like Trump, and this comment is by no means me defending him. He has committed crimes and should be prosecuted. However, certain actions by Dems does suggest he was targeted.

              One example is his tax returns. It is a tradition for presidents to voluntarily release them. He chose not to. Then democratic controlled congress fought for several years to have them be released for no real reason except to force him.

              I also think that prosecutors in New York would have ignored his fraudulent business practices, which they likely ignored for several years prior, if he hadn’t become president and was seeking re-election.

              Again, I am not defending him. Lock him up for his crimes. But I also don’t think the democrats motivation is solely coming from the idea of “justice for all.”

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                The best you can come up with is that they asked him for his tax returns to be mean?

                Gestures around

                Out of ALL THIS, that (and they should have continued ignoring his fraud) is your example of how the government is attacking him unfairly? A speck of sand compared to a dumptruck full of bullshit?

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                One example is his tax returns. It is a tradition for presidents to voluntarily release them. He chose not to. Then democratic controlled congress fought for several years to have them be released for no real reason except to force him.

                Oh you poor delusional soul.

                Those tax documents, while evidence of criminal acts, were just a small fraction of the literal 900 bankers boxes of fraud evidence against Trump.

                People that understand how our system of government works, understand that Congress has the power of investigation.

                Why don’t you understand that?

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                I am pretty sure the New York fraud case that is sending Trump spiraling is the direct result of testimony that his fixer Cohen gave to Congress. You can probably find the relevant testimony on the youtubes. If memory serves AOC was doing some of the important questioning.

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                  That is 100% correct.

                  Also, nearly every witness against Trump in his criminal trials have been members of the GOP longer than Trump has.

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                Then democratic controlled congress fought for several years to have them be released for no real reason except to force him.

                Yes, they did, and he kept refusing to do so, as was his right even if it made him look sus as fuck, especially since his excuse was the lie about being under audit. Only once he was under investigation for fucking fraud were his tax returns actually released, as evidence in the investigations.

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                have them be released for no real reason except to force him.

                Nope. Turns out that there IS a real reason why public financial disclosure via tax returns has become standards practice for presidential candidates: it’s to show the public that there’s no conflicts of interest to worry about.

                That Trump refused to release his was one red flag amongst many indicating that he had foreign business interests that he refused to divest from. Such conflicts of interest are a national security threat in the case of ANY high ranking government official, let alone the president himself.

                prosecutors in New York would have ignored his fraudulent business practices, which they likely ignored for several years prior, if he hadn’t become president and was seeking re-election.

                So you’re saying that it’s unfair that he no longer gets a free pass to commit tons of crimes now that he’s more publicly visible? Cry me a river!

                Again, I am not defending him

                Yeah, you are. You may not think that you are, but you definitely are.

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                Rather than comment on each individual response I figure comment on my own.

                I agree with all the points made here.

                When they couldn’t get Capone for the murders and rackateering they got him for tax evasion because he deserved it. Trump absolutely deserves all these charges and should go to prison.

                I do not believe Trump should get a free pass for his crimes. No one should. I was only suggesting that his crimes may have been ignored until there was a political motivation to look. It shouldn’t have to be that way, but that may have played a role on why they are just now investigating. If they had looked into it earlier it may have disqualified him from running in the first place; which to be clear, is a good thing.

                Notice how I didn’t say the Georgia elections case was unfair. He was recorded trying to commit voter fraud and should be charged. There’s plenty in Jan 6th commission report to charge too and I am frustrated that hasn’t happened either.

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            lol are you living in 2016? Only an absolute rube would believe this is what’s happening to Trump in 2024.