• bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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    11 months ago

    Looks like those guys will shoot anyone. With such a gross power imbalance how can they be so scared of everything?

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/what-we-know-hostages-killed-israel-gaza/index.html

    IDF destroyed Israeli homes (with Israelis inside) when Hamas raided them on Oct 7, and now they are indiscriminantly bombing Gaza, including where the hostages might be. I don’t see the logic at all. It seems like they don’t care about Palestinian OR Israeli civilians.

    EDIT: I just stumbled upon this video, which shows Israeli police arresting a (black) Israeli soldier for trying to cross the street. It seems racist af. I really can’t figure out who they are protecting.

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      It’s a military force full of conscripts it’s not a surprise they operate at an amateur level. These guys aren’t trained to rescue hostages they are only trained to shoot. There is a reason why most countries have gotten rid of conscription. Conscripted soldiers are nowhere near the level of a vetted and trained volunteer

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      That’s what bothers me most: the incidence shows how Israeli military treats civilians in general but at least where I live, media doesn’t talk about the implications. The coverage is more critical than at the beginning of the war but they still refuse to call it a genocide.

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      exactly. those pesky children are easy to be radicalized; they have barely spent time learning anything at school, so they can’t really tell the bluff.

      watch al jazeera for instance (a qatari MSM): hamas propaganda 24/7. qataris probably have stakes in this too by reselling arms, so it helps to keep the flame alive ( they would spend hours rebroadcasting the death of this ‘hero’ journalist in the battlefield, while in fact its lucrative that such people die to always have exclusive material to broadcast, its like a Marvel movie, but with real casualties ).

      arms production is a lucrative business right now.

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    11 months ago

    Serious question. Are there any reports of Hamas using white flags to trick IDF in the past?

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      11 months ago

      Even if there was, that wouldn’t excuse shooting first and asking questions never like the IDF did this time and every other of the thousands of times they’ve murdered civilians.

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        11 months ago

        That doesn’t answer my question at all and jumped straight to what aboutism. Real constructive conversation

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          11 months ago

          No, your question was itself a whataboutism (what about Hamas? Have they ever tried to trick IDF that way?).

          I simply replied to the underlying assertion that, if they have, then the IDF are somehow the least bit justified in assuming that it was Hamas. Which they wouldn’t be.

          One of them shouted “look! Terrorists!” and they just started shooting without ever considering that he might be wrong.

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            No, no it’s not. It’s a reasonable question to do with the actions of the ADF. I never even said I support the ADF. Really just a weird response at the end of the day, I can only deduce (because you’re refusing to go near any answer to my question) that they may have done it before. If they had never done that you could have confidently just said no. Hamas would never do such a thing but here we are still communicating while I get no closer to any information on whether or not Hamas have done that in the past

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              It’s a reasonable question to do with the actions of the ADF

              It categorically isn’t. There are ways of verifying other than shooting them to bits and then identifying them afterwards. Also, it’s IDF.

              I never even said I support the ADF.

              All the more reason not to try to justify their murder. Also, it’s still IDF.

              I can only deduce (because you’re refusing to go near any answer to my question) that they may have done it before.

              I honestly have no idea. I haven’t checked because it makes no difference in whether the IDF were justified in their murder. They weren’t regardless.

              If they had never done that you could have confidently just said no.

              That would be lying, though, since I don’t know if they have.

              here we are still communicating while I get no closer to any information on whether or not Hamas have done that in the past

              Because I refuse to answer your irrelevant whataboutism question and you keep insisting I do. If you want to know, find out for yourself and THEN pretend that it justifies anything.