• crackajack@reddthat.com
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    11 months ago

    What year are you in? Have the ROK and US massacred any Koreans in the past twenty years?

    Sure, keep coping. You’re being a vatnik to North Koreans.

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      11 months ago

      You’ve been routinely wrong, and keep moving goal posts. Have you been ignoring President Yoon’s flirtation with fascism, and the specific targeting of minority populations, women, and disabled people? Do you believe South Korea’s history has no bearing on modern day politics?

      South Korea is fundamentally controlled by the Chaebol and the US, despite protests against it.

      Is pointing out the numerous issues with South Korea and the sovereignty of its citizens akin to being pro-North Korea? I don’t think so.

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        11 months ago

        Looks like you’re having cognitive dissonance.

        You are the one who first talked about ROK having no wartime control of their army, despite the Korean government themselves, having been ruled by various different parties of different flavours of ideologies, delaying the handover. Now, you are accusing me of moving the goal post when you’re the one who set the agenda in the first place and I am merely responding. You moved the goal post with something that has zero to do with the initial agenda.

        Even so, you moved the goal post, I will let you get to the finish line. You did not answer whether or not has there been any massacre in the past twenty years since South Korea’s democratisation in spite of US wartime control of ROK army and leadership changes between different South Korean political parties?

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          You truly don’t care to acknowledge that parties are not the people, do you? That only furthers my point, that South Korea cannot go against the US.

          I never said there was constant massacring, I said South Korea has had numerous issues with massacring their population in modern history. This is factually correct, you even pretended it was limited to the 50s and 60s, and you still ignore President Yoon’s fascist practices.

          You truly have nowhere to stand on.

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            11 months ago

            Have the Korean government massacred anyone since their democratisation?

            You obviously don’t live in East Asia to realise why the South Korean government delay the handover. I will give you an important hint as much as national security: it saves them money. They get more bang for the buck. Same with the EU hosting American military bases. The EU isn’t being accused for “free-riding” for a reason.

            South Korea get more than they bargained for which, not only deters North Korea and China, but also save them money. Why change the status quo overnight if it serves them very well so far?

            Going back to the original matter at hand; yes, South Korea still exercise agency outside of the US influence in this matter. SK uses US more than the other way around.

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              11 months ago

              Yes. They were “democratic” before 1980.

              I understand why South Korean parties bend the knee, but your original point is wrong and you’ve shifted.

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                11 months ago

                You obviously know I mean after 1980 that SK democratised. But sure, keep rationalising and accusing me of logical fallacies that you yourself is committing. Hard to look on the mirror I know.

                The world isn’t as conspiratorial as you might think it is, with power players in a smoky backroom concocting plans and deals to manipulate people. I used to think like you. Fact of the matter is that the world is anarchic.

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                  11 months ago

                  It’s not hard to see that the US has explicit power over South Korea, regardless of what the citizens want. You’re bending over backwards to justify US Imperialism.

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                    11 months ago

                    Sure, keep thinking that. It is though non-white, non-Caucasians are perptual victims of Western imperialism, and could not think for themselves, and have to be looked after by white liberals and leftists from preying eyes of Western imperialist states. This does not sound at all like the condescending white man’s burden with a different flavour.

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                11 months ago

                Has nothing do with the debate, tankie.

                I could also give you a Wikipedia entry of Joseph Stalin, a fellow dictator that has nothing to do with 21st century South Korean politics.

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                  Imagine claiming that US having installed a brutal dictatorship in occupied Korea after the war has nothing to do with the debate dronie.

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                    11 months ago

                    Obviously, a tankie old fart is still living in the 20th century who thinks South Korea is still a dictatorship.