People in this thread: BUT WHAT ABOUT LIFE EXPECTANCY?!?!
Bro you really want to argue life expectancy in favour of the ideology that argues whether curing a patient is makes business sense?
Your long life expectancy is thanks to science, which has existed for a far greater percentage of human history. To argue it’s because of capitalism is dumb as hell.
Also life expectancy took a nosedive when the Soviet Union fell. Wonder why.
context for those unfamiliar with the reference https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
For the people who are dunking on this by saying that historically things have been fucked up:
I think the point of the tweet is that systemic development doesn’t stop at capitalism.
I’m pretty sure lots of educated people during the feudal era were saying that it was the best system available and at least they were dying less often than the Romans.
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The rise in life expectancy has fuck all to do with capitalism given that life expectancy in both Cuba and China is higher than the US right now. Meanwhile, slavery continues to be the backbone of western economies.
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Not sure what point you’re even trying to make here. Life expectancy has been improving due to science and technology improving.
You could starve to death because your crop had been taken by the lords or die hanged to a tree because you complained
That’s literally how things work today where western corps exploit the workers in the global south. That’s what your lifestyle in the west is built on. Go read up on the coups, death squads, and other atrocities the west regularly commits around the world to keep the system of exploitation going. Here’s a good primer for you https://archive.org/details/KillingHope
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Last I checked, the genocide of the native population of America was fuelled by the British capitalism. Notably, capitalism was also the primary driver of African slave trade.
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Wow, how convenient: “it wasn’t a perfect utopia so you’re not allowed to blame capitalism for it”.
A reasoning as perfectly smooth and circular as your brain
OP is advocating for socialism, not for a regression to feudalism.
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No, you’re the only one here that doesn’t realize that OP is advocating for socialism. This is a meme attacking capitalist realism, not stating that feudalism was better. You’re in the fringe minority with that misinterpretation.
The west is authoritarian in that capitalists have full control, yes, and the PRC is making tremendous strides thanks to socialism.
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Take the exit for chauvinists, don’t let the trapdoor hit you on the way down
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Mate, you’re the one running away because you can’t deal with people having different beliefs to you
How many times are you going to say “bye” before you actually fuck off?
Why would you say it isn’t? The west is made up of dictatorships of capital, workers have little to no power.
Are you deliberately being disingenuous or are you really that stupid?
OP doesn’t say that an older system was better - especially not some super-specific one. Just that it’s NOT the only possible system and likely not the best there can be.
So I’m not sure who exactly you’re arguing with.
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Correlation != Causation
As others have pointed out we have better lives today because of scientific and technological progress not because of capitalism.
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You’re right, USSR managed to accomplish an equivalent of a century of progress under capitalism in the west in a couple of decades.
first-class example of whataboutism, favourite of useful idiots worlwide!
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i’m pretty sure the idea with anticapitalist sentiment isn’t to go backwards anymore, you know?
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Nope, that’s exactly what I implied when I point out that capitalism is the wrong direction of human development.
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The right direction would obviously be socialism with public ownership of the means of production and an economy being directed towards meeting the needs of working majority as opposed to a handful of elites. Should be pretty obvious, yet here you are.
I can see you already got told multiple times in these comments. But then again, I think, most can also see you don’t actually know anything you are talking about, OR don’t care to know because you are a right-wing fucknut. So, uh.
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I see your centrist attitude is more advanced that other centrists’, so much so that it no longer enables fascism, unlike every other centrist! wow, you are so smart, i am totally in awe of you.
I fail to see what any of this has to do with an economic system. These are scientific or legal topics.
And indeed, slavery is present under unchecked capitalism as well.
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You’re right. At least under feudalism we had job security. We should return to tradition /j
yeah, it’s really too bad that these are the only options
Capitalism replaced feudalism, and socialism is replacing capitalism.
I mean, tbf Feudalism and Capitalism isn’t all that different from one another. The only difference is that Feudalism has the hierarchy embedded into government via the monarchy whilst Capitalism’s hierarchy is enforced by corporations controlled by a different select few people.
Whether Socialism actually does replace Capitalism we have yet to see, I’d definitely prefer it over Capitalism.
No, they are quite different. Both are class societies, but feudalism was tied to agrarian production, while capitalism is driven by industrial production. It’s less about hierarchy and more about class. As for socialism, it’s already usurping capitalism, the PRC is the world’s largest and most important economy and it’s in the developing stages of socialism.
