Iran has at least 25 diesel subs in the specific area, as it is a state secret how many of their midget subs specifically designed for duty in the straits have been commissioned. 20 are verified.
The US has ~80 destroyers around the world.
But the subs are most likely laying mines right now, none of them have been sunk or even found as far as we know. Of course, demining is possible, but it’s long and expensive.
Add to that that US brass was saying they would lose a sea battle against Iran in the straits 20 years ago. Iran has been commissioning 2-4 subs per year since.
And Iran does not want to fight US battle groups, they want to prevent cargo traffic. The US just lost the same battle off Yemen a few months ago, against a country with no navy.
Dunno where you’re getting that the best guess and most common is around 20 total subs. Most of which we likely know the location of.
73 active with another ~60 in the ghost fleets but depending on the cvbg two destroyers, two sub hunters, a unknown number of attack subs that are essentially always in the area talking enemy subs and another 2 attack subs that are know known to trail cvbgs when they enter contested areas.
We don’t need to enter anywhere Iran mines, last time someone tried this dumb shit 48 hours later the third or 5th largest Navy in the world was sunk.
No one said they’re entering the straits.
Correct, that’s not the argument you made though. You said they were obsolete, they are not. Most navies have exactly zero carriers and even the ones we decommission would be a boone for any Navy that could support it which honestly is not that many navies.
Has the US, seeing that it is at war with Iran, found and sunk these subs? Because they sure as hell closed the straits off and tankers are diverting already
Cool we produce more oil than we sell so who cares. Similarly how is that at all related to the one point I had which is that carriers may be old compared to the rest of our Navy but they aren’t in fact obsolete.
Will your domestic production keep selling at the price point you are at now once global prices skyrocket? Will Trump institute a “commie” price cap? Or will we just have another wave of “unprecendented inflation” and price gouging on all levels of the supply chain, with a side of even more layoffs?
And I didn’t say “obsolete”, I said “vulnerable”. As in it’s not a panacea, those weapons can be misused hard enough that the US Navy lost two jets against Houthi rebels without a navy just by being stupid.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not “rooting for Iran” here. I’m saying we’re going to get fucked up again because Israel can’t stop starting wars and genociding people.
Try harder trollio, at the very least pay attention to what you’re arguing if you choose to take up someone else’s argument on their behalf.
He’s deliberately placed the Nimitz, an obsolete and comparatively low-tech vessel, in reach of Iranian attack submarines. That will be the new Gulf of Tonkin. There will be a draft, and the use of tactical nuclear weapons is inevitable.
Iran has at least 25 diesel subs in the specific area, as it is a state secret how many of their midget subs specifically designed for duty in the straits have been commissioned. 20 are verified.
The US has ~80 destroyers around the world.
But the subs are most likely laying mines right now, none of them have been sunk or even found as far as we know. Of course, demining is possible, but it’s long and expensive.
Add to that that US brass was saying they would lose a sea battle against Iran in the straits 20 years ago. Iran has been commissioning 2-4 subs per year since.
And Iran does not want to fight US battle groups, they want to prevent cargo traffic. The US just lost the same battle off Yemen a few months ago, against a country with no navy.
Dunno where you’re getting that the best guess and most common is around 20 total subs. Most of which we likely know the location of.
73 active with another ~60 in the ghost fleets but depending on the cvbg two destroyers, two sub hunters, a unknown number of attack subs that are essentially always in the area talking enemy subs and another 2 attack subs that are know known to trail cvbgs when they enter contested areas.
We don’t need to enter anywhere Iran mines, last time someone tried this dumb shit 48 hours later the third or 5th largest Navy in the world was sunk.
No one said they’re entering the straits.
Correct, that’s not the argument you made though. You said they were obsolete, they are not. Most navies have exactly zero carriers and even the ones we decommission would be a boone for any Navy that could support it which honestly is not that many navies.
So has that happened yet? The blockade is already on
Has what happened yet? What are you talking about?
Has the US, seeing that it is at war with Iran, found and sunk these subs? Because they sure as hell closed the straits off and tankers are diverting already
Cool we produce more oil than we sell so who cares. Similarly how is that at all related to the one point I had which is that carriers may be old compared to the rest of our Navy but they aren’t in fact obsolete.
Will your domestic production keep selling at the price point you are at now once global prices skyrocket? Will Trump institute a “commie” price cap? Or will we just have another wave of “unprecendented inflation” and price gouging on all levels of the supply chain, with a side of even more layoffs?
And I didn’t say “obsolete”, I said “vulnerable”. As in it’s not a panacea, those weapons can be misused hard enough that the US Navy lost two jets against Houthi rebels without a navy just by being stupid.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not “rooting for Iran” here. I’m saying we’re going to get fucked up again because Israel can’t stop starting wars and genociding people.
Try harder trollio, at the very least pay attention to what you’re arguing if you choose to take up someone else’s argument on their behalf.