• 3abas@lemm.ee
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    2 days ago

    Let me get this clearly: because if they fight back, maga will be even nastier, so Dems did the right thing to save us from a worse outcome?

    Well fuck me, I’ve been at unfair to them. I owe them an apology.

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      That’s not what I said. There are better ways to fight.

      Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.

      Chuck Schumer is abysmal and needs to step down, and he was wrong about the budget. But the essence of his argument has some truth - politics is a two-way street. In the rare case where there is a possibility of cooperation, that sets a better standard and will likely be more effective than endless partisanship.

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        Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.

        Things centrists never say about progressives. Because centrists only have intentions of working with their republican buddies to accomplish their mutual goals.

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          I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.

          I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one. But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with. Perfect is the enemy of the good, so the saying goes. I would say it’s now the enemy of even just a little bit better as opposed to so much worse.

          With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe. I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons. But fuck me if I won’t vote to make what social security we do have just a little bit better.

          As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.

          I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have. They can go to work when they’re not out on the streets with the protestors.

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            I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.

            Every time I think I’m too cynical, democrats prove me wrong. They don’t get to come back from supporting a genocide.

            I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one.

            But?

            But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with.

            Oh yeah. Wouldn’t want to other those people who carry swastika flags and chant “Jews will not replace us” after all, they’re the only demographic that matters to the democratic party, and they’re willing to throw all of us under the bus for a 1% chance at getting a single nazi vote. You’re bus fodder just like me and don’t you forget it. The femtosecond republicans express the slightest displeasure at your existence, you’ll be under the bus with all the disposables you don’t consider worth defending because it might other some contemptible nazi.

            With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe.

            With every betrayal, democrats converge on expressing what they actually believe.

            I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons.

            There is no major party that does not fight against everything you claim to stand for here.

            As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.

            We’re dealing with nazis. You don’t win over nazis by appeasement. You don’t win them over with magnanimity. They do not want to parlay. They want you dead.

            I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have.

            Then maybe they should stop giving up whatever power they have every time they have the opportunity to do so.

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              How would you deal with these Nazis and other fellow Americans who you disagree with? Let’s say you’re the new president and your party controls both houses of government.

              Trump is allowing people to be disappeared to El Salvador. Would you do the same to these people you call Nazis? What about the 45 million or so people who voted for this shit?

              I agree the political situation sucks. But solutions aren’t easy, and eventually, at the end of the day, we have to be united or there is only war and violence forever.

    • NewDayRocks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Someone has to be ambassador to China.

      It’s probably going to be someone most on the left so not want.

      So you choose the one that you can stomach while you have a vote.

      Just to note, but even Republicans stonewalled every confirmation.