• johnthedoe@lemmy.ml
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    I tell people yes do get an EV for your next car. But also use this chance to really think about if you need the car at all. Or does every adult in the household need a car each. Our city is trash for everyone having to own a car.

    Best is to run your car to the ground. Then get an EV if you must own a car.

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      1 year ago

      Unfortunately mass transit that works for everyone is the enemy of vehicle manufacturers.

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      1 year ago

      If I could guarantee that my job is remote forever, or have it written in my contract, I would sell my car.

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        I live a short bike ride away from the shops. I have some side bags for the ebike I built so lugging groceries isn’t too much of an issue.

        The biggest shift is learning you wouldn’t shop the same way you do with a car. With a car you go to a big supermarket and load up a trolley. Spend over a hundred for a week’s worth and drive home. With a bike you kinda just buy as needed for the next couple days. You do more trips throughout the week which is kinda nice too. Forces you to get out of the house more. Benefit I realised when doing this was vegetables were less likely to just die out in the fridge since I bought as needed. Which meant I spent a little less overall.

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        Do you have access to food, stores, etc using public transport? How do you go about buying stuff and bringing it back home?

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        Your car will be worth less the longer you hang on to it. You can sell it and hang on to the money until your company tries to get everyone back in the office.

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          This is likely not going to be the case for the classics (old->modern-day). A Honda Jazz will lose it’s value, a classic Aston? Less likely - even static some of them are works of art.

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            Ok but what if the Aston isn’t cared for properly and left out to rust? Then the price will go down!

            Is my bringing-up-a-small-edge-case helpful? Does pointing to 1% of situations refute the general case or further the discussion in any meaningful way?

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              Simply pointing out that not all cars will depreciate in value. Well maintained ones should continue to hold their value until oil prices and taxes make them out-of-reach for the average citizen. Let us not forget that 80 percent of vehicles are bought in the second-hand market… Nobody has raised the prospect of killing that market off yet in a policy sense (of which I am aware).

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      Live in a not so small town in Germany. I haven’t had the need to have a car after I have been living for 9 years.

      I commute with bike to work, take public transport when it’s a farther journey.

      Until I have a daughter a couple of months ago. I realize that I really need a car. :(

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        It’s hard to have a baby without a car. It’s for sleep, for nappy changing, your closet and your pantry. Those first few years especially. If you need one even for a few years it’s totally understandable.

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          Yeah. It’s very difficult. Going to pediatrician for example. Or if it’s raining. It’s so troublesome to bring a baby with a bike in that situation.

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        Even in America, I have seen a fair few parents carrying their kids around by bike. It seems it’s not totally impossible, though you may need to put your bike through some upgrades.

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          I don’t dare to bring my now 3 months old baby with bike. The weather is still "summer"y now. In winter I wouldn’t do it. I myself have fallen down from bikes at least 4 times in the last couple of years. I can’t imagine if that happens while I’m taking my baby with bike.

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          It’s possible, but it’s really obnoxious and shitty. Especially if the weather is too cold for a new born to be outside.

          New born parents is one of the few true excuses to use a car over a bike, imo.

          But that’s okay, we’ll still need roads for emergency services anyway so it’s okay if some people use them.

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          I bet those people are doing it for economic reasons, not environmental ones. A bicycle is probably the most dangerous form of transportation for you to have your kid on.

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            How us bicycle more dangerous than cars?

            Sure cars have all the safety features for people on the inside, but on a bike you’re exposed to much slower speeds and better field of view. Bike accidents have much smaller fatality rate than car accidents.

            Unless of course you mean cycling among cars is less safe, but that argument just confirms that cars are unsafe, not bikes. Bikes are not dangerous. Cars are.

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            It wouldn’t be any dangerous if car and bike infrastructure was structurally separated (and if there were far fewer cars).

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                  Of course, but if my vehicle was the only vehicle in the world, I’d still feel like a 2 year old kid on the back of my bike going 7 miles is more dangerous than on a bus, train, or even a car over the same distance.

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                    Fair enough, a seat on the back is the least safe option to transport kids.

                    There are options like this though. Seatbelts, low position, side walls.

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      Best is to run your car to the ground.

      Absolutely not if you have an older ICE car with bad gas mileage and/or a diesel. Even getting a NEW EV would be better for global warming and the health of your fellow humans than continuing THAT shit show.

      Of course, as per the OP, bicycle and mass transit is still much better than any EV, but the really bad emissions cars should NOT stay on the road until their “natural” death unless absolutely necessary.