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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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    Jews don’t have the right to kill other people and steal their land. Nobody has a Reicht to do that. This is not a “controversial” viewpoint.

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      By that argument no countries have a right to exist.

      By singling out Israel people will assume you’re pushing the same antisemitic line.

      Make better arguments and maybe that won’t be so easily swatted down.

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        No settler colony has a right to exist. If you believe people have the right to kill Palestinians and steal their land because “they’re Jewish”, then you are the racist.

        This is akin to removing comments saying Russia has no right to colonize Ukraine.

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          Stop putting words in my mouth.

          If you say “X has no right to exist” you’re going to get shut down because it’s a lazy inflammatory argument.

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            If you say “X has no right to exist” you’re going to get shut down because it’s a lazy inflammatory argument.

            It’s a simple and obvious argument. They’ll be shut down because we live in a fascist society that denies basic history and reality.

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            I am not putting words in your mouth your argument is complete nonsense

            Since you still don’t get it let’s do a 1 for 1 comparison and swap for Israel with another religious ethogroup which murders civilians because it believes it has a right to a historical land.

            Does ISIS-K have a right to exist in Syria?

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        By that argument no countries have a right to exist.

        Correct. Borders are lines drawn in the sand because of modern warlords called politicians.

        By singling out Israel people will assume you’re pushing the same antisemitic line.

        “No one has the right to murder for land gain.”

        “That’s wildly antisemitic!”

        “I’m talking about Russia attacking Ukraine.”

        Murder and war is bad. It’s not unique to Israel that murder is bad, because bloodshed is bad when any nation does it in the name of nationalism, and genocide.

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      Well, as I said, I’m not debating any of that here. If you want to post about it somewhere that is appropriate for that conversation, ping me, and we’ll talk about it.

      • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
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        Since when do we not talk about politics on Lemmy? That and posting about Linux is about the crux of Lemmy. Mods cannot decide censorship is warranted because they deem a subject “controversial”.

        But before you decide to respond I would recommend you watch at least the first 10 minutes of this video as adresses every argument you made.

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          Oh, talking about politics on lemmy is fine.

          Pounding the political pulpit beyond the bare minimum necessary on this community is where it goes wrong.

          And yes, actually, moderators absolutely get to decide what is and isn’t appropriate content for their community. That’s what a moderator is, the person or persons that curate a community.

          And, yet a-fucking-gain, as I’ve already said, I’m not getting into debate about the subject itself here. I’m also not wasting my time with some random YouTube video as a proxy to that

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            Pounding the political pulpit beyond the bare minimum necessary on this community is where it goes wrong.

            You said that comments denying the right of Israel to exist should be removed. This cannot be followed up by refusing to elaborate. If there is anything wrong or racist about saying an Apartheid should not exist then you are welcome to back it up with claims.

            I am of the opposite opinion that anyone who believes Israel has the right to exist is racist.

            And yes, actually, moderators absolutely get to decide what is and isn’t appropriate content for their community. That’s what a moderator is, the person or persons that curate a community.

            With all the complains about “.ml censorship” I would not expect this kind of arguments here. LW moderators having the power to censor for Israel does not mean they are not in the wrong for doing it.

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                I was hoping you would have something more than “criticism of Israel is antisemitic” but I am not surprised and understand why you wanted to avoid the argument.

                Have a good day.

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                    Look, just because you haven’t bothered to learn what Israeli propaganda is in this context doesn’t mean it isn’t the case

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            And, yet a-fucking-gain, as I’ve already said, I’m not getting into debate about the subject itself here.

            So why are you still typing?