Hi all, thank you for reading my post. modlod link
Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:
I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as ātankie apologiaā and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.
I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find āthe tankie triadā extremely silly:
yeah thatās the context, I was just laughing because:
- only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
- it sounds really silly, like theyāre a nemesis to dr venture.
- Iām supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped š
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Iām not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything Iāve run into in any of āthe tankie triadā. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on ātankieā run instances donāt seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.
What a truly dumb argument.
Anyways, like many I consider it solved with the contract of tolerance. You arenāt covered by the contract anymore if you go not tolerating people. Any benefits extended to you by the contract only apply as long as you agree to be tolerant.
We also ban for transphobia or for being a fascist. Is that banning all dissent as well?
From your other responses to this post, it seems like your primary beef with Diva was their anti-war stances in their post history. You canāt play the paradox-of-tolerance card in response to that. To make your other strawmen relatable, are you saying Divaās comments are in any way fascist or transphobic? I havenāt seen any intolerance in Divaās posts.
What Iām directly responding to is the exchange with the āno dissent allowedā rule suggestion, and you basically saying you already got that covered. Squashing all dissent is authoritarian, and you referenced your āno authoritarianā rule when responding with this. I donāt believed I ever joined in one of these PTB discussions before, but this was just too much. Can you not see the irony?
My issue was not primarily the anti war stance, but that in combination with staunchly defending tankies. Tankies are intolerant by their very nature (as in their ideology is intolerant), and so Diva was banned for defending the intolerant and for likely being a tankie herself.
Looking over her comments here I am less sure that she is a tankie, but she for sure thinks being one is okay and is really into defending them. Again, the point of the anti-tankie rules is to not give tankies a platform.
Sure, itās your community, so you ban who you like. You donāt need to justify it to me.
I tried steering the conversation back to my actual point, but it seems like all that was ignored. I thought your rule exchange was funny and incredibly ironic. You might enjoy banning any dissenting opinions, but donāt be surprised when that earns you an āauthoritarianā label.
Banning authoritarians doesnāt make one an authoritarian. It just means you donāt appreciate their murderous end-justifies-the-means ideology.
Absolutely, I donāt disagree at all. But by claiming to not tolerate any dissenting opinion, you are not ābanning authoritariansā; instead, you are becoming the very thing you declared hatred for. I havent seen any evidence that Diva is authoritarian.
Instead, Iāve seen a mod openly claim that any dissenting opinions would result in a ban; and this would only result in the further developement of an echochamber.
but I didnāt think diva is an authoritarian
No, they just deepthroat authoritarian leather.
I didnāt see that either