• Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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    1 year ago

    It was the sheer amount of paperwork and hoops you have to jump through in my state to get a gun.

    FFLs are required to do the same paperwork Form 4473 and the forms required for the following NICS check (or your CCW in states where the CCW includes a background check). Once again… it’s federal. How little you know about the process shows your biases though if you’re so willing to speak out against it.


    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2763812

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    However, access to firearms in the home has been associated with an increased risk of death from suicide and homicide among household members.

    Which is not your claim of

    The statisical reality is that people like me are still more likely to kill ourselves with guns than to be killed by bigots, and moreover, that having a gun on you does not protect you from bigots.

    Which insinuates that you’re more likely to kill yourself and defend yourself with a gun.


    Alright… next one…

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
    Conclusions: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

    Correct. The goal would be to de-escalate. Make the criminal run away. The goal of owning a gun isn’t to kill intruders. It’s to level the playing field so that you aren’t taken advantage of. This once again doesn’t match your statement.


    Next one…

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

    Conclusion: Living with a handgun owner is associated with substantially elevated risk for dying by homicide. Women are disproportionately affected.

    Does not make any comparison to defensive uses of guns… at all. Actually quite disingenuously… it specific targets cases where cohabitants shoot each other.

    Among homicides occurring at home, cohabitants of owners had sevenfold higher rates of being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner


    Your statement is

    The statisical reality is that people like me are still more likely to kill ourselves with guns than to be killed by bigots, and moreover, that having a gun on you does not protect you from bigots.

    Statistically this is either dubious at best to and outright lie at worst.
    So… Once again… Please address the question I asked. Stop trying to flood me with papers that don’t address it. 50k, which is the number that the CDC cites as total gun deaths per year in the USA (Cite1, Cite2, Cite3) is a lower number than 60k-2.5million (cite1 would be the CDC itself…, cite2, cite3. How is is that with these two numbers, that your statistics are right?

    I think… and I’m not trying to be mean here… you’re uneducated on the matter or you have a personal grudge whether against guns or the group of people who tend to carry them. But your “statistics”… just don’t bare out to reality. You cannot simply equate these two things and make the claim you did. There is sufficient studies and evidence out there that show otherwise. You’re specifically taking studies that aren’t covering your statement and trying to apply them to yours.