• ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      There already are two. We must co-opt one with a populist candidate. The Republican Party was already hijacked by Trump. That leaves the Democratic Party.

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        Bernie tried twice, Democrats demonstrated their ability to stop that shit in its tracks. It will not work.

        The only solution is for progressives to abandon the Party and start their own to replace it. The US has replaced parties before, it can be done again.

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          It didn’t work with Bernie for more reasons than the parties resistance. A lot of people on the left that dislike the party don’t seem to understand that you still have to join the party and get involved with it if you want the party to move left. Party members and active involved people shape where the party goes. We absolutely can shift the Dems left, but it means holding our noses and becoming the party. The Dems have always been an open door, big tent, party. Walk into the tent and change minds…

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          Third party doesn’t work. You have to do what trump did, 1 man coup from the inside.

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            Apparently Republican voters are gonna set the mark at R regardless of who it is, so how about having someone like Bernie run in the Republican primary.

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          The Democrat establishment wants power and for that they have to win elections. So having an anti establishment candidate is preferable to them over a Republicans victory. If anything good came out of the last election, it is that Trump as horrible as he is can still win elections against an establishment Democrat, so the Democrats have to change.

          Also changing the parties does not work. The problem is systematic and the US really needs to change its election system, to get better politics.

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          Trump tried once and it worked. Neoliberal ideas are entrenched in the minds of Americans. Neoliberalism only allows change to the people in charge of systems as it asserts, incorrectly, that our institutions are flawless. Since neoliberals only consider changing people, it is much easier for a fascist to convince a neoliberal to change the people in society. Where as it is much harder for a progressive or a socialist to convince a neoliberal to enact systemic change or redistribute wealth respectively.

          In short, people with neoliberal ideas in their head need to fully internalize neoliberalism as a scam.

          Abandoning the Democrats will not result in them being replaced. They will continue to exist by moving further to the right, as Democrats like Chris Murphy have already proposed.

          Starting a successful third party is mathematically impossible under a FPTP system. Third party candidates can only be spoiler candidates.