All people’s nationalities are made up.
Just like all nation state borders.
Just like all religions.
Hell, someone pulled your vaunted, family crest owning last name directly out of their asshole at some point in your ancestry. It’s all just ego stroking bullshit.
The problem, as always, is that people take these made up bullshit designations seriously, to the point of mass murder.
We are all actually the same species, capable of similar highs and lows of emotion, of pain, of hunger.
Too bad most everyone refuses to start and end with that, because if we’re all equally deserving of empathy and resources, how can I get mooooooaaaaar than those other people I’m clearly better than? Because my Parents, President, and Priests said I deserve more than those bad people that live in the wrong place and suck the wrong imaginary friend’s imaginary dick.
Am Canadian.
Canada didn’t exist a few hundred years ago.
Are we made up people too?
Have you seen Canadian money? Its like Monopoly bills.
And maple syrup doesn’t exist. Who even believes you can get sugar from a tree?
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Yes?
“Made up” people or made up “people”? Quotes matter.
Genuine question: To all the Democrats who chose not to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Palestinian issue, what’s your thought process?
thanks for not voting. that was really smart
Face palm. It’s fucking tragic what is about to escalate for the Palestinians. I hope all the people that blathered on with nonsense about “Genocide Joe” are able to do some self-reflection.
FFS.
Narrator: They aren’t.
Surprising no one they all vanished back into nothing.
Like the “swift boat veterans for truth”
Lmao fuck off with that. We’re still here.
Ok, maybe they didn’t vanish entirely.
There’s been basically no change in the posting about Palestine since the election, but these people (including this two month old account) have a narrative in their head and won’t let reality intervene.
Two month old account? Get your reddit ass back to that garbage fire, I’ve been on the fediverse since the first reddit wave.
The “narrative” is that Trump is wholly owned by Bibi, as that fucker has helped him every election, and will let him do whatever he wants. Helping that fucker get elected l, as you did by not voting for Harris will only hasten the genocide in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon.
And no, there hasnt been the posts about protesting Trump’s worryingly close relationship to Bibi to anywhere near the degree that you were all so “worried” about Harris.
I voted for Harris. But pretending anyone with criticism of a genocide is some Russian stooge or at best an anti-Democrat dupe is part of the whole narrative that keeps you from engaging with moral ideas in a complex and serious manner. Posts about Israeli crimes have not stopped, criticism of Joe Biden’s policies have not stopped (because he’s still president and is still ignoring his own red lines on the war crimes), and as soon as Trump is the one doing the deed it will switch to him. To liberals convinced issues only exist for supporting or opposing Democrats, it’s all just a made up controversy, but it’s about the genocide, stupid.
But speaking of that, the election’s over, Harris lost and Biden can’t run again, are you ready to call politicians who passively (and sometimes actively) support a genocide being committed with US funded weaponry bad people yet? I thought this aversion to criticizing Democrats was just supposed to be a political strategy, but somehow still “the genocide” is only a criticism that seems to be applied to American actors in a future sense.
If you held your vote back as a protest vote, you voted for a modern day Hitler. Congrats.
I thought Zaktor wrote “I voted for Harris” how’s that “held back eir vote”?
I think there’s another narrative that just assumes Trump will be significantly different from what Kamala would have been.
What can Trump do that Biden/Kamala haven’t already? Much is being made about Trump sitting by while Netanyahu annexes large chunks of the West Bank. But that’s already been happening.
There has been much made about Trump potentially allowing Israel to annex parts of Gaza. But Biden has sat back and let Israel completely ethnically cleanse northern Gaza. If Biden/Trump didn’t lift a finger to stop an ethnic cleansing, what makes you think they would do anything when Israel files some paperwork to formally annex land? Hundreds of thousands of people area dead. I’m sorry, but compared to that, a little paperwork to formally take territory is a minor crime indeed.
War with Iran? Israel doesn’t want a war with Iran. They’ve been playing a careful tit-for-tat game with Tehran, trying to save face while avoiding an all-out war. And there’s little evidence Trump would get the US involved if a full war did start.
I mean really, what exactly do you expect Trump to do that Biden/Harris already haven’t? They’ve given Israel a complete blank check. I think we tend to just assume because he’s overtly racist against Muslims that he is going to be worse for the Palestinians. Yes, Biden and Harris aren’t overtly racist against the Muslims. But in terms of their actual actions, I can’t think of anything Trump can do that they already haven’t.
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Removed for civility, if you had dodged the ad hominem at the end you are 100% correct.
I don’t think Biden and Harris are the same person. I think she was cowardly but I also think she wants to be hip and loved and could have been shamed with sustained pressure. Not a sure thing, and likely to be weak sauce, but a possibility. I don’t see that as likely with either Biden or Trump. And the possibility of stopping something as big as genocide and permanent land grabs is much better than no chance at all.
But I also don’t blame Arabs for voting (or not voting) emotionally for the actions of Biden and the inaction of Harris now. Don’t kill someone’s family and then ask them to think of the bigger picture.
One sure thing about that shitstain Trump is that he is bribable. He will pivot on a pinhead if it would enrich him more.
There is zero chance Palestinian supporters ever outbid Israel to corrupt Trump. Even the rich Arab autocrats don’t really care about the conflict if it would result in them being less rich. Israel loses Trump if and only if they insult him in some way.
People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!
If Biden set any form of red line, or at least Blinken wasn’t bluntly lying everytime he goes there or the US didn’t Veto UN resolutions to “allow aid” maybe we can argue the dem would be better but as stand nothing will change.
People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!
First of all, it will be far more than 2 million people.
But also, yes! Fucking yes, of course it is worse! What?!? Are you fucking joking??
Holy shit people are delusional. You don’t get to just say “well, we can’t know if a Democrat would be different,” and absolve yourself from your responsibility in this. When will be the point where you realize (yet I’m sure continue to refuse to admit in an attempt to preserve your own sanity perhaps)? Will it be when they annex the West Bank (like immediately after 1/20, they’re already talking about it)? Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins?
You will live with the results of your actions (or inaction). There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.
Spot the person who is not watching news!
Will it be when they annex the West Bank Read history and check some UN document, illegal building of housing for Israeli has been going on for decades supported by Tax money from western countries. They literary conduct raid, steal farm land, abduct and prison youth for the last few decade! They are not waiting for Trump to do that!
Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins
Are you high ? Famine + 70% women and children of estimated 200,000 people have been going on for a year, do you think this is not a high gear? the continues supply of weapons suggest they are running out of bomb. “70,000 tons of bombs over Gaza, surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II.”
The problem you are seeing is that, bomb are not enough to kill people, they have to go there on foot or use food to starve them and that is exactly what is happening now, with Democrat in office.
There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.
Kamala made it clear she is doing nothing different and ( better or worse ) is not a statement here because there are no (better) when it come to genocide.
Seeing as biden gave billions in support of israel while they carried out this genocide for over a year, the moniker is well-earned. Hopefully you do some self-reflection to realize that both parties full-throatedly support israel. The other guy being worse is not an excuse to support genocide. Democrats will keep talking about how much worse republicans are while moving to the right in pace with them.
I’ve already commented but sorry I got to say
“The first ever mention of an ancient land called Israel was by an Egyptian Pharaoh, Merneptah, 3429 years ago,” reads a meme that has made the rounds on Facebook. “The first ever mention of an ancient land called Palestine was by an Egyptian opportunist, Yasser Arafat, 57 years ago.”
Literally the Do you have a flag argument.
Didn’t the Romans call it Palestine after crushing a Jewish uprising? So no not 57 years ago.
Anyways the Arab voters made their bed by voting for Trump and not genocide joe or whatever they called Harris.
Good luck with that now.
Doubly insane when the first mention of what’s thought to be the Palestinians was by Ramesses III, 3199 years ago.
It’s as if “first” has become a legitimate argument for existence
The entire United States has some problems if “was there thousands of years ago” indicates who should be allowed to control and oppress people now.
I wish it wasn’t so tragic, so I could laugh at people who couldn’t vote for Harris because Biden didn’t single-handedly stop the genocide.
Today they were kinda proved right, though. After having imposed another deadline on Israel and that deadline having again expired they again won’t stop sending arms to Israel. Even when this is the last fucking chance before Trump is taking over. You can’t just ignore this shit.
The great majority of those people aren’t on here talking about it anymore.
Well, the Russian trolls aren’t needed anymore now that Trump won.
Doesn’t seem they are entirely gone.
We are just left with the useful idiots that unfortunately bought into it.
There’s always some real humans duped by the bots and at this point they have 2 choices: accept they were duped or go all in.
Now the same accounts are blaming democrats for not going far enough left. I think the goal is to push democrats and republicans so far apart on the political spectrum that nothing gets done.
Yeah if only the Democrats had went more right. That would have saved things this time around. Also thanks to Biden talking about “moving together” and “healing” in 2020 the Republicans deradicalized…
Nothing the Democrats could have done would have convinced 10 million fascist-enabling morons to vote.
We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options. Let’s move to the right.
Really? Then how came 12 million more people voted for Biden in 2020?
Because there was a pandemic that resulted in the highest voter turnout ever.
But happily downvoting. I hope all the terrorist simps here are happy for going after Harris, because this is the result they consequently wanted.
No, your admin and mods banned those accounts in the lead up to the election under the reason “troll,” because you people (meant as offensively as reasonable) can’t take opposing view points or the guilt of explicitly supporting genocide.
If two bans was all it took to silence all those voices, they weren’t that plentiful to begin with.
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I suspect we both know which two they are talking about
Yet here you are. You must be stealthier than the others. Don’t worry, I won’t tell them you’re here.
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It’s ok, friend. I like that your mere presence refutes your own argument and that your attitude shows the kind of things you generally get banned from instances for.
So how old is your account? A day? You sure showed me! You’re doing great, buddy!
The great majority are still thinking about Trump might concept of a plan.
Yeah, shocking.
I didn’t expect Biden to stop the genocide.
I expected him to try.
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Keep telling yourself that in 6 months when American aircraft are bombing Gaza and the West Bank.
They were filming themselves over “the holy land” not sure why you think they aren’t already doing it.
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That should make things better for the Palestinians.
You mean like Mormons?
Hey look, Mormon Jesus really did appear to Joseph Smith and told him to start a church and sell spots in heaven for any family that wed their daughter to him.
[My father] asked me if I would be sealed to Joseph … [Smith] said to me, ‘If you will take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation & exaltation and that of your father’s household & all of your kindred.[’] This promise was so great that I willingly gave myself to purchase so glorious a reward.
- Helen mar Kimball, who was 14 at the time they married.
Sounds all very legit, daughter for heaven. Mormon Jesus is just cool like that.
I, for one, am shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Who could have guessed Trump would appoint somebody who doesn’t recognize the victims of genocide as real people? It’s not like Trump called pro-Palestinians protestor “pro-Hamas thugs” and “jihad sympathizers” or said “I will give Israel the support that it needs to win but I do want them to win fast” or called attempts by Biden to negotiate a cease fire an attempt to “tie Israel’s hand behind its back”.
How could anybody have known? By looking at how he handled conflicts in the area during his first administration? What are we? A nation of nerds that try to make educated decisions about our political leaders?
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What real difference does this make though? I honestly don’t see what actually is going to change in Gaza. Yes, Biden isn’t overtly racist against Palestinians, but he doesn’t consider them human beings either. He’s given Israel a complete blank check to do whatever they want. And I expect that to continue unchanged under Trump. As a practical matter, I really don’t see what Trump can do that Biden already hasn’t. Trump will just be a lot ruder about it.
Seems like you are poorly read and have a bad imagination.
Luckily for you, I don’t think it will take long for you to witness first hand what Trump can, and will, do that Biden or Harris would never.
It least he is not going to lie about his intentions.
If you call yourself anything but a human being, youre making it all up
Americans voted for this, especially if they blew off voting.
Americans voted for this unless they didn’t vote or votes third party.
…or voted for Harris.
Nope, a vote for Harris is a vote for the complete destruction of the Palestinian people. Harris was very clear in her campaign, it was one of the only thing she was consistent about.
As long as you ignore all the times she called for a ceasefire, sure.
Just like Spider-Man was just a guy, if you ignore all the super powers.
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I wonder why your account is like 30 seconds old and singularly focused on this issue. Probably because you’re not evading a ban.
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Wow amazing argument.
The whole world is about to take an L because of us
