See, now that’s Ad hominem. No rebuttal and pure insult. Glad you’re learning.

Yeah I’m not reading all that. You’re going max autism to ignore a very simple point that started with JD Vance making a vague statement about how “talks” end wars.

You can nitpick all day. But it’s a garbage reason to attack JD Vance. Proven by the fact that literally only this click-bait article is talking about it. And I’m not wasting my time reading an essay from someone that doesn’t understand that.

There are a thousand better reasons to shit on Vance and I have no reason to care about an exhausting conversation like this. Especially when you can’t get that very simple point from my initial comment.

I swear people are being purposely obtuse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender

There is literally a picture of the surrender being signed mate. You don’t have to be a politician to do diplomatic actions for your state. This is all that I’m referring to. Wars end with agreements. No matter what you want to call it. Surrender, Treaties, Truce, etc.

No matter how you want to nitpick if it’s a “not a politician” or whatever else you dense idiots can’t get through your skulls.

Also, ad hominems are when someone insults a person in order to AVOID addressing their argument.

You can call someone an idiot AND address their argument. Which is what I’m doing. It’s not an “ad hominem” everytime someone insults you. Get a brain.

that’s not nit-picking. Reaching a surrender IS DEPLOMACY. I swear to God people think it’s like a video game and you kill the main boss and all the henchmen lay down their arms. That’s not how wars end.

So your response to my comment about this article being nitpicky about terms like: treaties, truce, agreements, etc is to be more nitpicky?

Everything you mentioned had some form of diplomatic talks that ended active fighting (or lead to withdrawal of hostile troops).

It’s just odd. You don’t need to reach to make JD Vance look stupid. There are plenty of things to shit on him for. But saying “diplomacy is what ends conflicts” is not really one of the things he’s said I’d disagree with.

Thanks! Hate with a passion how we have to login to read anything these days.

Watched the video but article is login walled and I’m not doing that.

Was there more to what he said? Because he’s just making a point that wars end with treaties being signed. Wars don’t end with the death of a single leader like Hitler. Germany literally didn’t surrender until a week after his suicide. These things do end with treaties and agreements. It’s what actually gets troops to stop fighting.

Japan surrender is a more direct example from WW2 he could be referencing too.

But maybe the article explains it more?

I think JD Vance is a moron. But I’m really not seeing what’s wrong about him saying wars end with agreements from both sides to stop fighting. Germans, Japanese, and Italians exist today. We didn’t just kill them all to end WW2.

Again, that’s all I heard him reference in the video. Maybe there is more.

Edit: Someone linked the archive link so I could read it. Thanks.

Article is nitpicking what he said. Sorry, I don’t want to defend JD Vance. I really don’t. But an unconditional surrender is still an agreement and negotiation between the sides. It’s just a case when one side has nothing left to negotiate with. It’s not at all counter to the point he was making in that talks and agreements between sides need to occur to end the fighting.

One major agreement of an unconditional surrender is that the troops that disarm won’t be slaughtered by the other side when they do.

I agree. Ironically it’s hitting hard with a lot people that stopped watching it and came back for the Trump stuff.

The ironic part being that it’s funny to people because of nostalgia and not really the jokes I think. Because it’s really fucking lazy imo. Like, is the Sadam/Satan and using that voice anything but just trying to hit the “remember this” really hard? Its not creative or really making a point. Though people try to act like it is.

South Parks previous mockery with the 'member berries could literally be used to criticize how a lot of liberals are taking “comfort” in it. Seeing it as a “this too shall pass” and that we’ll somehow return to normal in 2028 or something.

I have no problems with people that enjoy it. But it’s not funny to me AND i see it not moving the needle at all in getting people to do anything to resist these fascist. So I really can’t appreciate it on literally the two things people act like it’s doing.

China gets one thing right. Straight to reeducation camps with their billionaires that try to fuck with the party; sometimes never to be seen again. Though I’m sure that’s pay to play too. At least they do it.

Vietnam too. Didn’t they death sentence someone that literally stole billions from the public? I’m against death sentence. But God damn if that wouldn’t put the billionaires in their place.

Better than executing mentally handicapped people like Texas seemingly loves to do.

Fascism is Imperialism turned inwards.

Fascism is capitalism in decline.

Both of these quotes get attributed to Lenin but I think only the second is.

They are essentially equivalent though. Imperialism is a requirement of capitalism and the methods capitalist use to oppress the third world get turned inward on the imperial core. You will see ICE use the same methods the IDF has used in the west bank and Gaza. These were training grounds for Fascist oppression and specifically in methods of crowd control.

I just finished explaining this too lol. It won’t work for people that have a ton of different shoes they choose. Or people that wear shoes in the house (gross). But if you’re a primarily single pair shoe person that always puts shoes on as the last thing before leaving. It is THE BEST way to not forget the thing you need. Basically reduces the chance I pick it up and put it down (and forget it) down to 0.

Putting things in my shoes is my go to. I don’t wear shoes in the house so it’s always the last thing I do before going out the door. If I put the thing on the door handle I’ll just not see it. I can physically open my door without having to grab something handing from it. If they are physically in my shoes I have to actually grab the thing as the very last thing I do. So it reduces the chance I’ll set it down and forget it.

I also only ever wear one pair of shoes unless I’m going to the gym or something. So no real worry of choosing the wrong shoes.

I really don’t have hope in Americans to do so. I hope I’m wrong.

Thank God this is the top comment here. I keep seeing these posts about him and I’m just worried all the liberals are falling for his bullshit pandering.

If Trump was the only one in them; we’d have them by now. I agree with the pressure on Trump because obviously he’s the fucking president. But I really wish this pressure existed prior to this pedophile being president. I really think until the recent media coverage about Trump anyone on the left was treated as a Qanon nutjob if they said their was more to it. (At least treated that way by mainstream media). I’m glad we are here. But I’m also sad it took so long.

Killer. Yes. Murderer? I would say no.

Are you still a murderer if you kill someone that would daily pull the trolley lever to whichever side had the most people?

Sadly that war is a meat grinder for both sides. Just the ruling class of Russia and the ruling class of the West throwing working class bodies at their useless wars.

Edit: Russia is the aggressor invading a sovereign nation illegally. I’m not talking about right and wrong of nation states. But the wests policy of “fighting to the last Ukrainian” is also disgusting. 70% of Ukrainians want an end to the hostility now. Their blood is being used by the west to fight a war they cannot win.

Liberals surprised Pikachu face when the agency created during the bush administration is fascist.

I think most of them would just fight for Putin.