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Cake day: July 15th, 2023

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  • Their circle of friends may not be like yours.

    I know plenty of people like what you are describing (always near at least one phone), but they are still impossible to reach quickly. Even when they expect a call, they can have their phone in Do Not Disturb mode. Or they ran out of battery, and didn’t think to turn it on after plugging it in. Most of the time I have no idea what the issue is.

    Also, he might live in an area with few options. Specially on short notice. Maybe the closest alternative with a somewhat similar style is far away, so even if you can get a reservation , not everybody will be able to get there before dinner time.

    Basically, when he says it’s hard for him, maybe just trust that he knows his life better than you do.




  • So $10 plus a $3 tip is “paying extra” to you people

    Yes. The price is 10. I pay 13. That’s 3 more. Simple math.

    you’re gonna happily pay the same shitty owner $15 "and no more

    That’s a straw man argument. I probably won’t support a shitty owner at any price.

    What I want is to know the price up front, without checking for loopholes, adding tips and whatever. I don’t care how simple the math is, or how much I love math or how good I am at calculating in my head, or how big the impact is to my personal economy.

    I see a price, I either pay it or I don’t. There’s a reason that anything else is literally illegal where I live.

    You’re welcome to have your opinion, this is mine.

    Again, I don’t mind tipping if I actually get extra. I’m a big tipper, if I get more than I’m paying for.

    just licking some capitalist footwear under the guise of a kind of false consumerism

    Wow, that’s American level defense of capitalism. Where I’m from, we pay a lot more attention to consumer rights and employee rights.



  • Are you seriously saying that the customer who pays full price and no more is “a piece of shit”, and not management who chooses to underpay the staff?

    I’m not having any of that. I’d rather just not eat out. Enjoy no tip AND one less customer.

    I’ll pay extra when I get extra. I paid over 150% yesterday. I’ve given big tips for free services. People sometimes give my cash tip back assuming I accidentally gave them 10x my intention. But not when it’s a simple transaction when I get what I ordered and I’m paying the advertised price.





  • All good points. But since tipping is supporting this broken system, and not tipping seems to be worse, what do you suggest then?

    I could just not go out, sure. Just stay out of it. If enough people do that, this wil lead to less customers, more employers closing their business, more employers loosing the job they couldn’t afford to quit. I don’t see how that helps either.

    So I’m listening. What do you suggest?


  • I see what you mean, but I’m not the one fucking over the employees.

    On the short term you are right, but as long as customers keeps tipping, the system works well enough for nothing to change.

    The more people stops tipping, the closer we get to change.

    And I’m sorry that the change will hurt the employees, but it’s not my battle. And tipping does not support the employees battle, just this days income.

    Tell me another way I can support their battle, and I’ll listen.

    (I tip when the employees seems to rely on it, or if I feel extraordinarily well serviced.)